From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-ppc@nongnu.org,
"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
"Peter Xu" <peterx@redhat.com>,
"Igor Mammedov" <imammedo@redhat.com>,
"Thiner Logoer" <logoerthiner1@163.com>,
"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
"Daniel P.Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
"Elena Ufimtseva" <elena.ufimtseva@oracle.com>,
"Jagannathan Raman" <jag.raman@oracle.com>,
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
"Ani Sinha" <anisinha@redhat.com>,
"Xiao Guangrong" <xiaoguangrong.eric@gmail.com>,
"Daniel Henrique Barboza" <danielhb413@gmail.com>,
"Greg Kurz" <groug@kaod.org>, "Eric Blake" <eblake@redhat.com>,
"Eduardo Habkost" <eduardo@habkost.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/9] backends/hostmem-file: Add "rom" property to support VM templating with R/O files
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 15:29:47 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1b5d82d1-166b-d4c3-f44b-54176892c4d2@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87v8d72omm.fsf@pond.sub.org>
On 22.08.23 15:27, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> writes:
>
>> For now, "share=off,readonly=on" would always result in us opening the
>> file R/O and mmap'ing the opened file MAP_PRIVATE R/O -- effectively
>> turning it into ROM.
>>
>> Especially for VM templating, "share=off" is a common use case. However,
>> that use case is impossible with files that lack write permissions,
>> because "share=off,readonly=on" will not give us writable RAM.
>>
>> The sole user of ROM via memory-backend-file are R/O NVDIMMs, but as we
>> have users (Kata Containers) that rely on the existing behavior --
>> malicious VMs should not be able to consume COW memory for R/O NVDIMMs --
>> we cannot change the semantics of "share=off,readonly=on"
>>
>> So let's add a new "rom" property with on/off/auto values. "auto" is
>> the default and what most people will use: for historical reasons, to not
>> change the old semantics, it defaults to the value of the "readonly"
>> property.
>>
>> For VM templating, one can now use:
>> -object memory-backend-file,share=off,readonly=on,rom=off,...
>>
>> But we'll disallow:
>> -object memory-backend-file,share=on,readonly=on,rom=off,...
>> because we would otherwise get an error when trying to mmap the R/O file
>> shared and writable. An explicit error message is cleaner.
>>
>> We will also disallow for now:
>> -object memory-backend-file,share=off,readonly=off,rom=on,...
>> -object memory-backend-file,share=on,readonly=off,rom=on,...
>> It's not harmful, but also not really required for now.
>>
>> Alternatives that were abandoned:
>> * Make "unarmed=on" for the NVDIMM set the memory region container
>> readonly. We would still see a change of ROM->RAM and possibly run
>> into memslot limits with vhost-user. Further, there might be use cases
>> for "unarmed=on" that should still allow writing to that memory
>> (temporary files, system RAM, ...).
>> * Add a new "readonly=on/off/auto" parameter for NVDIMMs. Similar issues
>> as with "unarmed=on".
>> * Make "readonly" consume "on/off/file" instead of being a 'bool' type.
>> This would slightly changes the behavior of the "readonly" parameter:
>> values like true/false (as accepted by a 'bool'type) would no longer be
>> accepted.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
>
> [...]
>
>> static void file_backend_instance_finalize(Object *o)
>> diff --git a/qapi/qom.json b/qapi/qom.json
>> index fa3e88c8e6..0cf83c6f39 100644
>> --- a/qapi/qom.json
>> +++ b/qapi/qom.json
>> @@ -668,6 +668,9 @@
>> # @readonly: if true, the backing file is opened read-only; if false,
>> # it is opened read-write. (default: false)
>> #
>> +# @rom: whether to create Read Only Memory (ROM). If set to 'auto', it
>> +# defaults to the value of @readonly. (default: auto, since 8.2)
>> +#
>> # Since: 2.1
>> ##
>
> The commit message discusses how @readonly, @rom and @share interact.
> The doc comments don't, and users have to guess.
>
> I can see two ways to help users:
>
> 1. Describe their interaction in full, so users can understand how to
> get from them what they need.
>
> 2. Provide suitable guidance on how to use them.
>
>> { 'struct': 'MemoryBackendFileProperties',
>> @@ -677,7 +680,8 @@
>> '*discard-data': 'bool',
>> 'mem-path': 'str',
>> '*pmem': { 'type': 'bool', 'if': 'CONFIG_LIBPMEM' },
>> - '*readonly': 'bool' } }
>> + '*readonly': 'bool',
>> + '*rom': 'OnOffAuto' } }
>> ##
>> # @MemoryBackendMemfdProperties:
>> diff --git a/qemu-options.hx b/qemu-options.hx
>> index 29b98c3d4c..03ce0b0a30 100644
>> --- a/qemu-options.hx
>> +++ b/qemu-options.hx
>> @@ -4976,7 +4976,7 @@ SRST
>> they are specified. Note that the 'id' property must be set. These
>> objects are placed in the '/objects' path.
>>
>> - ``-object memory-backend-file,id=id,size=size,mem-path=dir,share=on|off,discard-data=on|off,merge=on|off,dump=on|off,prealloc=on|off,host-nodes=host-nodes,policy=default|preferred|bind|interleave,align=align,offset=offset,readonly=on|off``
>> + ``-object memory-backend-file,id=id,size=size,mem-path=dir,share=on|off,discard-data=on|off,merge=on|off,dump=on|off,prealloc=on|off,host-nodes=host-nodes,policy=default|preferred|bind|interleave,align=align,offset=offset,readonly=on|off,rom=on|off|auto``
>> Creates a memory file backend object, which can be used to back
>> the guest RAM with huge pages.
>>
>> @@ -5066,6 +5066,14 @@ SRST
>> The ``readonly`` option specifies whether the backing file is opened
>> read-only or read-write (default).
>>
>> + The ``rom`` option specifies whether to create Read Only Memory (ROM)
>> + that cannot be modified by the VM. If set to ``on``, the VM cannot
>> + modify the memory. If set to ``off``, the VM can modify the memory.
>> + If set to ``auto`` (default), the value of the ``readonly`` property
>> + is used. This option is primarily helpful for VM templating, where we
>> + want to open a file readonly (``readonly=on``) and allow private
>> + modifications of the memory by the VM (``share=off``, ``rom=off``).
>> +
>
> Here, you provide some guidance.
Is that sufficient in your opinion? Then I could similarly replicate
(unfortunately) it in the qapi/qom.json doc?
Thanks Markus!
--
Cheers,
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-08-22 13:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-08-22 11:44 [PATCH v2 0/9] memory-backend-file related improvements and VM templating support David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 1/9] nvdimm: Reject writing label data to ROM instead of crashing QEMU David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 19:25 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 2/9] softmmu/physmem: Distinguish between file access mode and mmap protection David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 13:13 ` ThinerLogoer
2023-08-22 13:25 ` [PATCH " David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 3/9] backends/hostmem-file: Add "rom" property to support VM templating with R/O files David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 13:27 ` Markus Armbruster
2023-08-22 13:29 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2023-08-22 14:26 ` ThinerLogoer
2023-08-23 12:43 ` [PATCH " David Hildenbrand
2023-08-23 14:47 ` ThinerLogoer
2023-08-23 14:59 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 4/9] softmmu/physmem: Remap with proper protection in qemu_ram_remap() David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 5/9] softmmu/physmem: Bail out early in ram_block_discard_range() with readonly files David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 6/9] softmmu/physmem: Fail creation of new files in file_ram_open() with readonly=true David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 7/9] softmmu/physmem: Never return directories from file_ram_open() David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 8/9] docs: Don't mention "-mem-path" in multi-process.rst David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 13:21 ` ThinerLogoer
2023-08-22 13:24 ` [PATCH " David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 9/9] docs: Start documenting VM templating David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 13:47 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-08-22 14:04 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 14:23 ` Peter Maydell
2023-08-22 14:31 ` David Hildenbrand
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