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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-ppc@nongnu.org,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
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	"Jagannathan Raman" <jag.raman@oracle.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
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	"Xiao Guangrong" <xiaoguangrong.eric@gmail.com>,
	"Daniel Henrique Barboza" <danielhb413@gmail.com>,
	"Greg Kurz" <groug@kaod.org>, "Eric Blake" <eblake@redhat.com>,
	"Eduardo Habkost" <eduardo@habkost.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/9] backends/hostmem-file: Add "rom" property to support VM templating with R/O files
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 15:29:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1b5d82d1-166b-d4c3-f44b-54176892c4d2@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87v8d72omm.fsf@pond.sub.org>

On 22.08.23 15:27, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> writes:
> 
>> For now, "share=off,readonly=on" would always result in us opening the
>> file R/O and mmap'ing the opened file MAP_PRIVATE R/O -- effectively
>> turning it into ROM.
>>
>> Especially for VM templating, "share=off" is a common use case. However,
>> that use case is impossible with files that lack write permissions,
>> because "share=off,readonly=on" will not give us writable RAM.
>>
>> The sole user of ROM via memory-backend-file are R/O NVDIMMs, but as we
>> have users (Kata Containers) that rely on the existing behavior --
>> malicious VMs should not be able to consume COW memory for R/O NVDIMMs --
>> we cannot change the semantics of "share=off,readonly=on"
>>
>> So let's add a new "rom" property with on/off/auto values. "auto" is
>> the default and what most people will use: for historical reasons, to not
>> change the old semantics, it defaults to the value of the "readonly"
>> property.
>>
>> For VM templating, one can now use:
>>      -object memory-backend-file,share=off,readonly=on,rom=off,...
>>
>> But we'll disallow:
>>      -object memory-backend-file,share=on,readonly=on,rom=off,...
>> because we would otherwise get an error when trying to mmap the R/O file
>> shared and writable. An explicit error message is cleaner.
>>
>> We will also disallow for now:
>>      -object memory-backend-file,share=off,readonly=off,rom=on,...
>>      -object memory-backend-file,share=on,readonly=off,rom=on,...
>> It's not harmful, but also not really required for now.
>>
>> Alternatives that were abandoned:
>> * Make "unarmed=on" for the NVDIMM set the memory region container
>>    readonly. We would still see a change of ROM->RAM and possibly run
>>    into memslot limits with vhost-user. Further, there might be use cases
>>    for "unarmed=on" that should still allow writing to that memory
>>    (temporary files, system RAM, ...).
>> * Add a new "readonly=on/off/auto" parameter for NVDIMMs. Similar issues
>>    as with "unarmed=on".
>> * Make "readonly" consume "on/off/file" instead of being a 'bool' type.
>>    This would slightly changes the behavior of the "readonly" parameter:
>>    values like true/false (as accepted by a 'bool'type) would no longer be
>>    accepted.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
> 
> [...]
> 
>>   static void file_backend_instance_finalize(Object *o)
>> diff --git a/qapi/qom.json b/qapi/qom.json
>> index fa3e88c8e6..0cf83c6f39 100644
>> --- a/qapi/qom.json
>> +++ b/qapi/qom.json
>> @@ -668,6 +668,9 @@
>>   # @readonly: if true, the backing file is opened read-only; if false,
>>   #     it is opened read-write.  (default: false)
>>   #
>> +# @rom: whether to create Read Only Memory (ROM).  If set to 'auto', it
>> +#       defaults to the value of @readonly.  (default: auto, since 8.2)
>> +#
>>   # Since: 2.1
>>   ##
> 
> The commit message discusses how @readonly, @rom and @share interact.
> The doc comments don't, and users have to guess.
> 
> I can see two ways to help users:
> 
> 1. Describe their interaction in full, so users can understand how to
> get from them what they need.
> 
> 2. Provide suitable guidance on how to use them.
> 
>>   { 'struct': 'MemoryBackendFileProperties',
>> @@ -677,7 +680,8 @@
>>               '*discard-data': 'bool',
>>               'mem-path': 'str',
>>               '*pmem': { 'type': 'bool', 'if': 'CONFIG_LIBPMEM' },
>> -            '*readonly': 'bool' } }
>> +            '*readonly': 'bool',
>> +            '*rom': 'OnOffAuto' } }
>>   ##
>>   # @MemoryBackendMemfdProperties:
>> diff --git a/qemu-options.hx b/qemu-options.hx
>> index 29b98c3d4c..03ce0b0a30 100644
>> --- a/qemu-options.hx
>> +++ b/qemu-options.hx
>> @@ -4976,7 +4976,7 @@ SRST
>>       they are specified. Note that the 'id' property must be set. These
>>       objects are placed in the '/objects' path.
>>   
>> -    ``-object memory-backend-file,id=id,size=size,mem-path=dir,share=on|off,discard-data=on|off,merge=on|off,dump=on|off,prealloc=on|off,host-nodes=host-nodes,policy=default|preferred|bind|interleave,align=align,offset=offset,readonly=on|off``
>> +    ``-object memory-backend-file,id=id,size=size,mem-path=dir,share=on|off,discard-data=on|off,merge=on|off,dump=on|off,prealloc=on|off,host-nodes=host-nodes,policy=default|preferred|bind|interleave,align=align,offset=offset,readonly=on|off,rom=on|off|auto``
>>           Creates a memory file backend object, which can be used to back
>>           the guest RAM with huge pages.
>>   
>> @@ -5066,6 +5066,14 @@ SRST
>>           The ``readonly`` option specifies whether the backing file is opened
>>           read-only or read-write (default).
>>   
>> +        The ``rom`` option specifies whether to create Read Only Memory (ROM)
>> +        that cannot be modified by the VM. If set to ``on``, the VM cannot
>> +        modify the memory. If set to ``off``, the VM can modify the memory.
>> +        If set to ``auto`` (default), the value of the ``readonly`` property
>> +        is used. This option is primarily helpful for VM templating, where we
>> +        want to open a file readonly (``readonly=on``) and allow private
>> +        modifications of the memory by the VM (``share=off``, ``rom=off``).
>> +
> 
> Here, you provide some guidance.

Is that sufficient in your opinion? Then I could similarly replicate 
(unfortunately) it in the qapi/qom.json doc?

Thanks Markus!

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-22 13:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-22 11:44 [PATCH v2 0/9] memory-backend-file related improvements and VM templating support David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 1/9] nvdimm: Reject writing label data to ROM instead of crashing QEMU David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 19:25   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 2/9] softmmu/physmem: Distinguish between file access mode and mmap protection David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 13:13   ` ThinerLogoer
2023-08-22 13:25     ` [PATCH " David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 3/9] backends/hostmem-file: Add "rom" property to support VM templating with R/O files David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 13:27   ` Markus Armbruster
2023-08-22 13:29     ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2023-08-22 14:26   ` ThinerLogoer
2023-08-23 12:43     ` [PATCH " David Hildenbrand
2023-08-23 14:47       ` ThinerLogoer
2023-08-23 14:59         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 4/9] softmmu/physmem: Remap with proper protection in qemu_ram_remap() David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 5/9] softmmu/physmem: Bail out early in ram_block_discard_range() with readonly files David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 6/9] softmmu/physmem: Fail creation of new files in file_ram_open() with readonly=true David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 7/9] softmmu/physmem: Never return directories from file_ram_open() David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 8/9] docs: Don't mention "-mem-path" in multi-process.rst David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 13:21   ` ThinerLogoer
2023-08-22 13:24     ` [PATCH " David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 9/9] docs: Start documenting VM templating David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 13:47   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-08-22 14:04     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 14:23   ` Peter Maydell
2023-08-22 14:31     ` David Hildenbrand

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