From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Peter Hilber <peter.hilber@opensynergy.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v4] ptp: Add vDSO-style vmclock support
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2024 08:50:47 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1ca48fb47723ed16f860611ac230ded7a1ca07f1.camel@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1c24e450-5180-46c2-8892-b10709a881e5@opensynergy.com>
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On Thu, 2024-07-11 at 09:25 +0200, Peter Hilber wrote:
>
> IMHO this phrasing is better, since it directly refers to the state of the
> structure.
Thanks. I'll update it.
> AFAIU if there would be abnormal delays in store buffers, causing some
> driver to still see the old clock for some time, the monotonicity could be
> violated:
>
> 1. device writes new, much slower clock to store buffer
> 2. some time passes
> 3. driver reads old, much faster clock
> 4. device writes store buffer to cache
> 5. driver reads new, much slower clock
>
> But I hope such delays do not occur.
For the case of the hypervisor←→guest interface this should be handled
by the use of memory barriers and the seqcount lock.
The guest driver reads the seqcount, performs a read memory barrier,
then reads the contents of the structure. Then performs *another* read
memory barrier, and checks the seqcount hasn't changed:
https://git.infradead.org/?p=users/dwmw2/linux.git;a=blob;f=drivers/ptp/ptp_vmclock.c;hb=vmclock#l351
The converse happens with write barriers on the hypervisor side:
https://git.infradead.org/?p=users/dwmw2/qemu.git;a=blob;f=hw/acpi/vmclock.c;hb=vmclock#l68
Do we need to think harder about the ordering across a real PCI bus? It
isn't entirely unreasonable for this to be implemented in hardware if
we eventually add a counter_id value for a bus-visible counter like the
Intel Always Running Timer (ART). I'm also OK with saying that device
implementations may only provide the shared memory structure if they
can ensure memory ordering.
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Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-07-08 9:27 [RFC PATCH v4] ptp: Add vDSO-style vmclock support David Woodhouse
2024-07-10 13:07 ` Peter Hilber via
2024-07-10 16:01 ` David Woodhouse
2024-07-11 7:25 ` Peter Hilber via
2024-07-11 7:50 ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2024-07-16 11:54 ` Peter Hilber via
2024-07-16 12:32 ` David Woodhouse
2024-07-16 13:20 ` Peter Hilber via
2024-07-17 8:16 ` David Woodhouse
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2024-07-17 8:14 ` David Woodhouse
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