qemu-devel.nongnu.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Peter Hilber <peter.hilber@opensynergy.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,  virtualization@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,  linux-rtc@vger.kernel.org,
	"Ridoux, Julien" <ridouxj@amazon.com>,
	 virtio-dev@lists.linux.dev, "Luu, Ryan" <rluu@amazon.com>,
	"Chashper, David" <chashper@amazon.com>
Cc: "Christopher S . Hall" <christopher.s.hall@intel.com>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>,
	"Michael S . Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Richard Cochran <richardcochran@gmail.com>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>,
	Alessandro Zummo <a.zummo@towertech.it>,
	 Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v4] ptp: Add vDSO-style vmclock support
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2024 08:50:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1ca48fb47723ed16f860611ac230ded7a1ca07f1.camel@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1c24e450-5180-46c2-8892-b10709a881e5@opensynergy.com>

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1588 bytes --]

On Thu, 2024-07-11 at 09:25 +0200, Peter Hilber wrote:
> 
> IMHO this phrasing is better, since it directly refers to the state of the
> structure.

Thanks. I'll update it.

> AFAIU if there would be abnormal delays in store buffers, causing some
> driver to still see the old clock for some time, the monotonicity could be
> violated:
> 
> 1. device writes new, much slower clock to store buffer
> 2. some time passes
> 3. driver reads old, much faster clock
> 4. device writes store buffer to cache
> 5. driver reads new, much slower clock
> 
> But I hope such delays do not occur.

For the case of the hypervisor←→guest interface this should be handled
by the use of memory barriers and the seqcount lock.

The guest driver reads the seqcount, performs a read memory barrier,
then reads the contents of the structure. Then performs *another* read
memory barrier, and checks the seqcount hasn't changed:
https://git.infradead.org/?p=users/dwmw2/linux.git;a=blob;f=drivers/ptp/ptp_vmclock.c;hb=vmclock#l351

The converse happens with write barriers on the hypervisor side:
https://git.infradead.org/?p=users/dwmw2/qemu.git;a=blob;f=hw/acpi/vmclock.c;hb=vmclock#l68

Do we need to think harder about the ordering across a real PCI bus? It
isn't entirely unreasonable for this to be implemented in hardware if
we eventually add a counter_id value for a bus-visible counter like the
Intel Always Running Timer (ART). I'm also OK with saying that device
implementations may only provide the shared memory structure if they
can ensure memory ordering.

[-- Attachment #2: smime.p7s --]
[-- Type: application/pkcs7-signature, Size: 5965 bytes --]

  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-11  7:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-08  9:27 [RFC PATCH v4] ptp: Add vDSO-style vmclock support David Woodhouse
2024-07-10 13:07 ` Peter Hilber via
2024-07-10 16:01   ` David Woodhouse
2024-07-11  7:25     ` Peter Hilber via
2024-07-11  7:50       ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2024-07-16 11:54         ` Peter Hilber via
2024-07-16 12:32           ` David Woodhouse
2024-07-16 13:20             ` Peter Hilber via
2024-07-17  8:16               ` David Woodhouse
2024-07-16 11:54 ` Peter Hilber via
2024-07-17  8:14   ` David Woodhouse

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=1ca48fb47723ed16f860611ac230ded7a1ca07f1.camel@infradead.org \
    --to=dwmw2@infradead.org \
    --cc=a.zummo@towertech.it \
    --cc=alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com \
    --cc=chashper@amazon.com \
    --cc=christopher.s.hall@intel.com \
    --cc=daniel.lezcano@linaro.org \
    --cc=horms@kernel.org \
    --cc=jasowang@redhat.com \
    --cc=jstultz@google.com \
    --cc=linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-rtc@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=mark.rutland@arm.com \
    --cc=maz@kernel.org \
    --cc=mst@redhat.com \
    --cc=netdev@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=peter.hilber@opensynergy.com \
    --cc=qemu-devel@nongnu.org \
    --cc=richardcochran@gmail.com \
    --cc=ridouxj@amazon.com \
    --cc=rluu@amazon.com \
    --cc=sboyd@kernel.org \
    --cc=tglx@linutronix.de \
    --cc=virtio-dev@lists.linux.dev \
    --cc=virtualization@lists.linux.dev \
    --cc=xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).