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From: Steven Sistare <steven.sistare@oracle.com>
To: Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>, Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Marcel Apfelbaum <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
	Eduardo Habkost <eduardo@habkost.net>,
	Philippe Mathieu-Daude <philmd@linaro.org>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 13/13] migration: cpr-transfer mode
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 16:05:08 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1f70668d-fd01-4e09-8d09-6bb11294df30@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87plo9rksl.fsf@suse.de>

On 10/9/2024 6:08 PM, Fabiano Rosas wrote:
> Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> writes:
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 09, 2024 at 04:18:31PM -0400, Steven Sistare wrote:
>>> Yes, I am also brainstorming along these lines, looking for more gotcha's,
>>> but its a big design change. I don't love it so far.
>>>
>>> These issues all creep in because of transfer mode.  Exec mode did not have this
>>> problem, as cpr-state is written to an in-memory file.
>>
>> I understand.  Hopefully we're getting there very soon..
>>
>> I still have concern on having -global used in productions, and meanwhile
> 
> Agree, but for qtests it should be fine at least.
> 
>> it might still be challenging for handshake to work as early as cpr stage
>> even for later, because at least in my mind the handshake still happens in
>> the main migration channel (where it includes channel establishments etc,
>> which is not proper during cpr stage).
> 
> I don't think any form of handshake will be implemented in a
> month. Maybe it's best we keep that to the side for now.

Agreed, and a handshake in the main migration channel, which would be the
cleanest to implement, occurs too late. We should not rely on it to solve this
cpr problem.

I have a new proposal which I will send in a new thread.

- Steve

> (still, thinking about that virtio-net USO thread, an early handshake
> could be a good idea, so we could perhaps inform about device
> incompatibility, etc.)
> 
>>
>> I don't really know whether that'll work at last..
>>
>> So in my mind the previous two-steps proposal is so far the only one that
>> all seem to work, with no unpredictable side effects.
>>
>> Said that, maybe we can still think about simpler solutions in the
>> following days or see others opinions, we don't need to make a decision
>> today, so maybe there's still better way to go.
> 
> I thought of putting the caps on the configuration vmstate and using
> that to set them on the destination, but there's a bit of a chicken and
> egg problem because we need capabilities set as soon as
> qemu_start_incoming_migration(). Unless we sent those via the cpr
> channel. We could split migration_object_init() a bit so we can
> instantiate some parts of the migration state earlier (I'm not even sure
> what are the actual dependencies are).



  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-10 20:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-30 19:40 [PATCH V2 00/13] Live update: cpr-transfer Steve Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 01/13] machine: alloc-anon option Steve Sistare
2024-10-03 16:14   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-04 10:14     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-04 12:33       ` Peter Xu
2024-10-04 12:54         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-04 13:24           ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 16:23             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-07 19:05               ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 15:36   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 19:30     ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 02/13] migration: cpr-state Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 14:14   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 19:30     ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 03/13] migration: save cpr mode Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 15:18   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 19:31     ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-07 20:10       ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 15:57         ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 04/13] migration: stop vm earlier for cpr Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 15:27   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 20:52     ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 15:35       ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 19:13         ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 05/13] physmem: preserve ram blocks " Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 15:49   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 16:28     ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 15:17       ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 16:26         ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 21:05           ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 21:32             ` Peter Xu
2024-10-31 20:32               ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 06/13] hostmem-memfd: preserve " Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 15:52   ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 07/13] migration: SCM_RIGHTS for QEMUFile Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 16:06   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 16:35     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-10-07 18:12       ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 08/13] migration: VMSTATE_FD Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 16:36   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 19:31     ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 09/13] migration: cpr-transfer save and load Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 16:47   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 19:31     ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 15:36       ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 10/13] migration: cpr-uri parameter Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 16:49   ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 11/13] migration: cpr-uri option Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 16:50   ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 12/13] migration: split qmp_migrate Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 19:18   ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 13/13] migration: cpr-transfer mode Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 19:44   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 20:39     ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 15:45       ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 19:12         ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 19:38           ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 18:28       ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-10-08 18:47         ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 19:11           ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-10-08 19:33             ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 19:48             ` Peter Xu
2024-10-09 18:43               ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-09 19:06                 ` Peter Xu
2024-10-09 19:59                   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-09 20:18                     ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-09 20:57                       ` Peter Xu
2024-10-09 22:08                         ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-10-10 20:05                           ` Steven Sistare [this message]
2024-10-09 20:09                   ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-09 20:36                     ` Peter Xu
2024-10-10 20:06                       ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-10 21:23                         ` Peter Xu
2024-10-24 21:12                           ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-25 13:55                             ` Peter Xu
2024-10-25 15:04                               ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 19:29           ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 14:33 ` [PATCH V2 00/13] Live update: cpr-transfer Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2024-10-08 21:13   ` Steven Sistare

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