[Qemu-devel] Some trials about W2K

[Qemu-devel] Some trials about W2K

[Gilles SIMON]

Hello,

I installed W2K AS with qemu 0.5.5 (precisely CVS 1 day before 0.5.5).

With W2K SP2, couldn't install because disk full.
With W2K (not sp), OK, an disk is full after install.

In fact, during install, W2k logs a very lot of information (for me, 3.6 G !). 
All this stuff is under C:\WINNT\Security, with a lot of 1Mb files.
So, disk is really full, it is not a bug regarding disk emulation. I suspect 
this is the same for SP2, but more logs are added. In fact, I can install 
only i there is enough space for all this garbage (for me, 4Gb). Perhaps SP2 
can install with lot of space...

After installing, I downloaded BXVGA driver, and it works (only in 1024x768).
The driver by Filip Navara just take me BSOD at boot time :(

I use user mode networking (not tun), and it's great ! Nothing to do, it 
works...
However, sometimes, W2k (as W98SE) don't get an address, and I have to reload 
the virtual machine to have one.

When it runs, I get files from host by ftp at 2800Kbytes/s, but the put is at 
40Kb/s only...

Last, Service pack 4 don't install. It starts, then say 'there is an error' 
and stop.

I have one question : with user mode network, guest can contact host.
Is it possible for guest to contact another computer ?
Is it posible for host or other computer to contact guest (ie, can guest be a 
server, can I telnet it for example ?)

Many thanks for this wonderful work.

-- 
Gilles SIMON

Re: [Qemu-devel] Some trials about W2K

[Gilles SIMON]

After further checking, Filip Navara's driver works at all resolutions/colors 
I checked. The problem was that W2k didn't desinstall correctly BXVGA, so the 
two drivers conflicted.
Before changing, run regedit and wipe out any 'BXVGA' you find.

Another question : I am in France, and our timezone is UTC+1, plus another one 
now in 'summer time' (so, UTC+2 now).
On Windows (98 or W2K), whatever timezone I choose, it is allways incorrect : 
it 15:00 pm, and Windows says it is 12:00 pm. There are 3 hours shift I 
cannot change.

Le Vendredi 14 Mai 2004 11:26, Gilles SIMON a écrit :
> Hello,
>
> I installed W2K AS with qemu 0.5.5 (precisely CVS 1 day before 0.5.5).
>
> With W2K SP2, couldn't install because disk full.
> With W2K (not sp), OK, an disk is full after install.
>
> In fact, during install, W2k logs a very lot of information (for me, 3.6 G
> !). All this stuff is under C:\WINNT\Security, with a lot of 1Mb files. So,
> disk is really full, it is not a bug regarding disk emulation. I suspect
> this is the same for SP2, but more logs are added. In fact, I can install
> only i there is enough space for all this garbage (for me, 4Gb). Perhaps
> SP2 can install with lot of space...
>
> After installing, I downloaded BXVGA driver, and it works (only in
> 1024x768). The driver by Filip Navara just take me BSOD at boot time :(
>
> I use user mode networking (not tun), and it's great ! Nothing to do, it
> works...
> However, sometimes, W2k (as W98SE) don't get an address, and I have to
> reload the virtual machine to have one.
>
> When it runs, I get files from host by ftp at 2800Kbytes/s, but the put is
> at 40Kb/s only...
>
> Last, Service pack 4 don't install. It starts, then say 'there is an error'
> and stop.
>
> I have one question : with user mode network, guest can contact host.
> Is it possible for guest to contact another computer ?
> Is it posible for host or other computer to contact guest (ie, can guest be
> a server, can I telnet it for example ?)
>
> Many thanks for this wonderful work.

-- 
Gilles SIMON

Re: [Qemu-devel] Some trials about W2K

[Eric van Riet Paap]

On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 15:14, Gilles SIMON wrote:
> After further checking, Filip Navara's driver works at all resolutions/colors 
> I checked. The problem was that W2k didn't desinstall correctly BXVGA, so the 
> two drivers conflicted.
> Before changing, run regedit and wipe out any 'BXVGA' you find.
> 
> Another question : I am in France, and our timezone is UTC+1, plus another one 
> now in 'summer time' (so, UTC+2 now).
> On Windows (98 or W2K), whatever timezone I choose, it is allways incorrect : 
> it 15:00 pm, and Windows says it is 12:00 pm. There are 3 hours shift I 
> cannot change.

same here with qemu 0.5.5, x86, Gentoo. When I start from the diskimage
with W2K installed on it the clock is always two hour ahead of what my
linux host is saying. I always adjust  the 'windows' clock. Have not
played with the timezone. Timezone seems to be set correct
(Amsterdam,Netherlands,Europe)

-Eric

Re: [Qemu-devel] Some trials about W2K

[Fabrice Bellard]

Eric van Riet Paap wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 15:14, Gilles SIMON wrote:
> 
>>After further checking, Filip Navara's driver works at all resolutions/colors 
>>I checked. The problem was that W2k didn't desinstall correctly BXVGA, so the 
>>two drivers conflicted.
>>Before changing, run regedit and wipe out any 'BXVGA' you find.
>>
>>Another question : I am in France, and our timezone is UTC+1, plus another one 
>>now in 'summer time' (so, UTC+2 now).
>>On Windows (98 or W2K), whatever timezone I choose, it is allways incorrect : 
>>it 15:00 pm, and Windows says it is 12:00 pm. There are 3 hours shift I 
>>cannot change.
> 
> 
> same here with qemu 0.5.5, x86, Gentoo. When I start from the diskimage
> with W2K installed on it the clock is always two hour ahead of what my
> linux host is saying. I always adjust  the 'windows' clock. Have not
> played with the timezone. Timezone seems to be set correct
> (Amsterdam,Netherlands,Europe)

QEMU clock is set to GMT. I can add an option to set it to the local 
time. The reverse is also possible (set it by default to local time).

Fabrice.

Re: [Qemu-devel] Some trials about W2K

[Gilles SIMON]

It could be a good idea to set default clock to localtime (with perhaps option 
for GMT ?).
However, I have 3 hours shift when in France, we are only GMT+2 ??

Le Samedi 15 Mai 2004 00:48, Fabrice Bellard a écrit :
> Eric van Riet Paap wrote:
> > On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 15:14, Gilles SIMON wrote:
> >>After further checking, Filip Navara's driver works at all
> >> resolutions/colors I checked. The problem was that W2k didn't desinstall
> >> correctly BXVGA, so the two drivers conflicted.
> >>Before changing, run regedit and wipe out any 'BXVGA' you find.
> >>
> >>Another question : I am in France, and our timezone is UTC+1, plus
> >> another one now in 'summer time' (so, UTC+2 now).
> >>On Windows (98 or W2K), whatever timezone I choose, it is allways
> >> incorrect : it 15:00 pm, and Windows says it is 12:00 pm. There are 3
> >> hours shift I cannot change.
> >
> > same here with qemu 0.5.5, x86, Gentoo. When I start from the diskimage
> > with W2K installed on it the clock is always two hour ahead of what my
> > linux host is saying. I always adjust  the 'windows' clock. Have not
> > played with the timezone. Timezone seems to be set correct
> > (Amsterdam,Netherlands,Europe)
>
> QEMU clock is set to GMT. I can add an option to set it to the local
> time. The reverse is also possible (set it by default to local time).
>
> Fabrice.
>
>
>
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-- 
Gilles SIMON
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Re: [Qemu-devel] Some trials about W2K

[Pavel Janík]

   From: Gilles SIMON <gilsim@wanadoo.fr>
   Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 09:44:11 +0200

   > It could be a good idea to set default clock to localtime (with
   > perhaps option for GMT ?).

No. Clock should be in UTC/GMT. It is crazy to have local time in
BIOS. Why?

Imagine your system is powered off, and clock is running in it. You'll
power it off when its clock contains time 02:30:00 in the day where clock
is to be shifted from 02:00 to 03:00 (so no time like 02:30 exists that
day). So what will be the time in your system? This is simpler case,
because you can simply shift the time to 03:30:00.

The same applies to e.g. 02:05 the day when clock is to be shifted from
03:00 back to 02:00. Is it the time before or after shift?
-- 
Pavel Janík

Emperical studies shows that in English, the set of persons covered by the
word "someone" always exclude the speaker, so don't suggest anything.
                  --  Per Abrahamsen in emacs-devel

[Qemu-devel] time and date under QEMU

[Gilles SIMON]

I don't think this is so important : I install computers with local time in 
BIOS, and all is OK... (especially for workstations).
In fact, the system has to know what time is in BIOS, and it can take care of 
problems.

Other things :
it is 11h33 CEST on my computer (UTC +2 at that date).

date -u tells 09h33, that's OK.
dos (without any config file) under qemu tells me it is 10h33,
Linux, Win3.1, Win98 and W2k all tell me it is 8h33.

Why theses  differences ?
Under 98 and 2k, changing timezone does'nt change displayed time...

Le Lundi 17 Mai 2004 10:42, Pavel Janík a écrit :
>    From: Gilles SIMON <gilsim@wanadoo.fr>
>    Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 09:44:11 +0200
>
>    > It could be a good idea to set default clock to localtime (with
>    > perhaps option for GMT ?).
>
> No. Clock should be in UTC/GMT. It is crazy to have local time in
> BIOS. Why?
>
> Imagine your system is powered off, and clock is running in it. You'll
> power it off when its clock contains time 02:30:00 in the day where clock
> is to be shifted from 02:00 to 03:00 (so no time like 02:30 exists that
> day). So what will be the time in your system? This is simpler case,
> because you can simply shift the time to 03:30:00.
>
> The same applies to e.g. 02:05 the day when clock is to be shifted from
> 03:00 back to 02:00. Is it the time before or after shift?

-- 
Gilles SIMON

[Qemu-devel] Some trials about W2K

[Vladimir N. Oleynik]

Gilles,

 > I installed W2K AS with qemu 0.5.5 (precisely CVS 1 day before 0.5.5).

 > With W2K SP2, couldn't install because disk full.
 > With W2K (not sp), OK, an disk is full after install.

I have full identicaly result.
I stoped emulation and reboot from Win98 floppy, removed all
C:\WINNT\Security\EBD0*.logs (I think, this is IO ports name ?
in scanning progress), make scandisk and reload from C: with saved state. ;-)

 > After installing, I downloaded BXVGA driver, and it works (only in 1024x768).
 > The driver by Filip Navara just take me BSOD at boot time :(

I haven`t problem with this driver in 1024x768 256 colors.
But after change mode to other from running w2k, emulation breaked.
(And keyboard stay with raw mode and if mouse captured, can`t use mouse
after).
I found "solution": change resolution from registry - its works.

 > I use user mode networking (not tun), and it's great ! Nothing to do, it
 > works...

Yes. But, I think, this have memory leak.
After partial download SP4, my memory ended and Xserver halted :(

Netwok over tun works great for me, but SP4 can`t installed.


--w
vodz

Re: [Qemu-devel] Some trials about W2K

[Emmanuel Charpentier]

First and foremost : I am astonished by the quality of the work that went 
into qemu. Thuis is the firs time I see a CPU emulator actually usable for 
"everyday work". It might solf by major hurdle with Linux use at work, i. 
e. running proprietary Windows software on a Linux workstation...

However, I, too, encountered some issues. I saw the same problems as 
prevous messages reported :

- W2KSPx doesn't install (disk full, due to a lot of 1 MB in C:\WINNT\Security)
- W2K (no SP) more or less installs (disk full after installation, but that 
can be cured ...). SP4 update doesn't install.
- Timeshift of 3 hours (I am also living in France).

Furthermore, I have to report that, whatever way I tried, I failed to 
install some software :

- Office 97 : fails immediately with an error related to not being able to 
read a .stf file in the CDROM (this happens whether I use a CDROM image or 
the real device)
- mozilla : installation fails during the final install.
- OpenOffice.org : fails "silently" (no error message, but no installation 
either.

There might be a small but subtle bug in the virtual machine code ?

Furthet thoughs about the virtual machine : I *think* that some 
improvements can vbe made re: usability. In particular, I wouldn't be 
adverse to a cleaner solution to networking (tun works, but is awkward). 
I'll write them after a bit more elaboration.

Sincerely,

					Emmanuel Charpentier