[Qemu-devel] Question about WINE

[Qemu-devel] Question about WINE

[Mea Culpa]

Hey , I have a problem.
I've installed QEMU and compiled it. It works and the MS-DOS / Linux stuff 
all works.
Now I'm trying to figure out how to run WINE..............I have no idea 
what to download and how to do it. I've read the "manual" but it's too short 
for me to understand.
I've got an I-mac DV Special Edtion PPCG3 400mhz with 256mb 
RAM...............

Any solutions?
And do any of you know what kind of speed I'll be getting? WINE with QEMU 
faster then VirtualPC or not?

Thnx in advance ,

Sander

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Re: [Qemu-devel] Question about WINE

[Christof Petig]

Mea Culpa schrieb:
> Hey , I have a problem.
> I've installed QEMU and compiled it. It works and the MS-DOS / Linux 
> stuff all works.
> Now I'm trying to figure out how to run WINE..............I have no idea 
> what to download and how to do it. I've read the "manual" but it's too 
> short for me to understand.
> I've got an I-mac DV Special Edtion PPCG3 400mhz with 256mb 
> RAM...............

It's far easier if you have a working ix86 Linux box with Wine at hand 
to get the libraries/Wine itself. Try that road.

Or try a native Windows installation on qemu emulating a full PC.

> Any solutions?
> And do any of you know what kind of speed I'll be getting? WINE with 
> QEMU faster then VirtualPC or not?

This sounds like you want to use Wine under MacOS. Look for the DarWine 
Project. I can only help you with Linux/ppc. There it works nicely.

    Christof

Re: [Qemu-devel] Question about WINE

[Sander Nagtegaal]

Don't get me wrong. I'm using Yellowdog Linux 3.0.1 and I've used MacOSX 
before with VirtualPC......
I just need to figure out how to run a nice Windows 95/98/2000 emulation under 
Linux and QEMU seemed like a good idea.
I'd like to run QEMU in the user mode though because it would be faster 
running WINE using QEMU..........I'd like to use download apps and maybe some 
small games...
I just need to figure out how to run WINE with QEMU in user mode.
QEMU emulating a PC would be slower then QEMU-fast with WINE......
If anybody could help me figure out how to run WINE with QEMU under PPC......
Any help is really appreciated......

Op donderdag 3 juni 2004 13:22, schreef Christof Petig:
> Mea Culpa schrieb:
> > Hey , I have a problem.
> > I've installed QEMU and compiled it. It works and the MS-DOS / Linux
> > stuff all works.
> > Now I'm trying to figure out how to run WINE..............I have no idea
> > what to download and how to do it. I've read the "manual" but it's too
> > short for me to understand.
> > I've got an I-mac DV Special Edtion PPCG3 400mhz with 256mb
> > RAM...............
>
> It's far easier if you have a working ix86 Linux box with Wine at hand
> to get the libraries/Wine itself. Try that road.
>
> Or try a native Windows installation on qemu emulating a full PC.
>
> > Any solutions?
> > And do any of you know what kind of speed I'll be getting? WINE with
> > QEMU faster then VirtualPC or not?
>
> This sounds like you want to use Wine under MacOS. Look for the DarWine
> Project. I can only help you with Linux/ppc. There it works nicely.
>
>     Christof
>
>
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Re: [Qemu-devel] Question about WINE

[Sander Nagtegaal]

I also only have a windows 95 cd rom here and that doesn't work with QEMU I've 
read on their site........sadly........
If I am correctly. I should compile WINE using a windows computer or a cross 
compiling or something like that and then start it using QEMU?
I don't have a windows computer........maybe somebody wants to compile it?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On non x86 CPUs, you need first to download at least an x86 glibc 
(`qemu-runtime-i386-XXX-.tar.gz' on the QEMU web page). Ensure that 
LD_LIBRARY_PATH is not set: 
unset LD_LIBRARY_PATH 

 Then you can launch the precompiled `ls' x86 executable: 
qemu-i386 tests/i386/ls

 You can look at `qemu-binfmt-conf.sh' so that QEMU is automatically launched 
by the Linux kernel when you try to launch x86 executables. It requires the 
binfmt_misc module in the Linux kernel. 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

According to the manual that is what I should do...........but I have no idea 
what and I cant find the tar (`qemu-runtime-i386-XXX-.tar.gz' on the QEMU web 
page)..............

[Qemu-devel] Question about WINE

[Mea Culpa]

Hey , I have a problem.
I've installed QEMU and compiled it. It works and the MS-DOS / Linux stuff 
all works.
Now I'm trying to figure out how to run WINE..............I have no idea 
what to download and how to do it. I've read the "manual" but it's too short 
for me to understand.
I've got an I-mac DV Special Edtion PPCG3 400mhz with 256mb 
RAM...............

Any solutions?
And do any of you know what kind of speed I'll be getting? WINE with QEMU 
faster then VirtualPC or not?

Thnx in advance ,

Sander

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Re: [Qemu-devel] Question about WINE

[nschwar1]

Hey,

Wine is a re-write of the windows APIs for Linux. It's not related to
Q-Emu at all. Check out www.winehq.com for help on getting started with
Wine.


-Noah

> Hey , I have a problem.
> I've installed QEMU and compiled it. It works and the MS-DOS / Linux stuff
> all works.
> Now I'm trying to figure out how to run WINE..............I have no idea
> what to download and how to do it. I've read the "manual" but it's too
> short
> for me to understand.
> I've got an I-mac DV Special Edtion PPCG3 400mhz with 256mb
> RAM...............
>
> Any solutions?
> And do any of you know what kind of speed I'll be getting? WINE with QEMU
> faster then VirtualPC or not?
>
> Thnx in advance ,
>
> Sander
>
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Re: [Qemu-devel] Question about WINE

[David Boutcher]

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qemu-devel-bounces@nongnu.org wrote on 06/02/2004 03:28:35 PM:
> Wine is a re-write of the windows APIs for Linux. It's not related to
> Q-Emu at all. Check out www.winehq.com for help on getting started with
> Wine.

Maybe, but picture running wine in QEMU on a PPC box, for example

Dave B

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Re: [Qemu-devel] Question about WINE

[Bartosz Fabianowski]

> Wine is a re-write of the windows APIs for Linux. It's not related to
> Q-Emu at all.

The Wine project is not related to QEMU. But QEMU is related to Wine - 
in that using QEMU, it is possible to run Wine (and thus, many Windows 
applications) on non x86 architectures. This is also stated on QEMU's 
website:

"User mode emulation (Linux host only). In this mode, QEMU can launch 
Linux processes compiled for one CPU on another CPU. It can be used to 
launch the Wine Windows API emulator or to ease cross-compilation and 
cross-debugging."

Unfortunately, since I am not using Linux, I am unable to help the 
original poster with getting the user mode emulation to work on his Mac. 
Keep trying though, it should theoretically be possible to get this running.

- Bartosz

Re: [Qemu-devel] Question about WINE

[John R. Hogerhuis]

Except of course that it is related, in that the QEMU web site
specifically mentions running Winders apps under Wine (standalone, i.e.,
not as part of a full emulated booting OS) as a an important application
of QEMU on non-x86 platforms.

Of course once you can get it loaded in QEMU, your politely worded RTFM
advice becomes useful.

On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 13:28, nschwar1@binghamton.edu wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> Wine is a re-write of the windows APIs for Linux. It's not related to
> Q-Emu at all. Check out www.winehq.com for help on getting started with
> Wine.
> 
> 
> -Noah

Re: [Qemu-devel] Question about WINE

[Hetz Ben Hamo]

Noah,

How about reading the QEMU docs? there's QEMU-i386 for full system 
emulation and there's also QEMU for user level application (such as 
wine) - both of them are part of QEMU..

After all - QEMU 0.1 - QEMU 0.3 was all about running wine and other 
user level applications under non X86 machines..

Thanks,
Hetz

nschwar1@binghamton.edu wrote:

> Hey,
> 
> Wine is a re-write of the windows APIs for Linux. It's not related to
> Q-Emu at all. Check out www.winehq.com for help on getting started with
> Wine.
> 
> 
> -Noah

Re: [Qemu-devel] Question about WINE

[Mea Culpa]

Anyway.........it is possible to run WINE under QEMU........I don't know 
much about the speed though but QEMU seems to do quite fine.
I need something like a x86 glibc
http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/qemu-doc.html#SEC29
There is a doc.........but for me........it's too little to know what to do. 
I'm not a Linux geeky (yet)

On non x86 CPUs, you need first to download at least an x86 glibc 
(`qemu-runtime-i386-XXX-.tar.gz' on the QEMU web page). Ensure that 
LD_LIBRARY_PATH is not set:
unset LD_LIBRARY_PATH

Then you can launch the precompiled `ls' x86 executable:
qemu-i386 tests/i386/ls

What to do with that?
>From: "John R. Hogerhuis" <jhoger@speakeasy.net>
>Reply-To: jhoger@pobox.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
>To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
>Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Question about WINE
>Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:56:54 -0700
>
>Except of course that it is related, in that the QEMU web site
>specifically mentions running Winders apps under Wine (standalone, i.e.,
>not as part of a full emulated booting OS) as a an important application
>of QEMU on non-x86 platforms.
>
>Of course once you can get it loaded in QEMU, your politely worded RTFM
>advice becomes useful.
>
>On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 13:28, nschwar1@binghamton.edu wrote:
> > Hey,
> >
> > Wine is a re-write of the windows APIs for Linux. It's not related to
> > Q-Emu at all. Check out www.winehq.com for help on getting started with
> > Wine.
> >
> >
> > -Noah
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Qemu-devel] Question about WINE

[Mea Culpa]

Anyway.........it is possible to run WINE under QEMU........I don't know 
much about the speed though but QEMU seems to do quite fine.
I need something like a x86 glibc
http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/qemu-doc.html#SEC29
There is a doc.........but for me........it's too little to know what to do. 
I'm not a Linux geeky (yet)

On non x86 CPUs, you need first to download at least an x86 glibc 
(`qemu-runtime-i386-XXX-.tar.gz' on the QEMU web page). Ensure that 
LD_LIBRARY_PATH is not set:
unset LD_LIBRARY_PATH

Then you can launch the precompiled `ls' x86 executable:
qemu-i386 tests/i386/ls

What to do with that?
>From: "John R. Hogerhuis" <jhoger@speakeasy.net>
>Reply-To: jhoger@pobox.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
>To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
>Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Question about WINE
>Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:56:54 -0700
>
>Except of course that it is related, in that the QEMU web site
>specifically mentions running Winders apps under Wine (standalone, i.e.,
>not as part of a full emulated booting OS) as a an important application
>of QEMU on non-x86 platforms.
>
>Of course once you can get it loaded in QEMU, your politely worded RTFM
>advice becomes useful.
>
>On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 13:28, nschwar1@binghamton.edu wrote:
> > Hey,
> >
> > Wine is a re-write of the windows APIs for Linux. It's not related to
> > Q-Emu at all. Check out www.winehq.com for help on getting started with
> > Wine.
> >
> >
> > -Noah
>
>
>
>
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>Qemu-devel@nongnu.org
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Re: [Qemu-devel] Question about WINE

[Misty De Meo]

I've been having trouble getting WINE to work as well, actually. After 
launching Wineserver, I try to run Putty.exe, as specified in the QEMU 
documentation. But it gives me the following errors:
Could not stat /mnt/fd0 (No such file or directory), ignoring drive A:
Warning: could not find wine config [Drive x] entry for current working 
directory /usr/local/wine-i386/bin; starting in windows directory.
qemu: Unsupported syscall: 186
qemu: Unsupported syscall: 186
err:module:PE_fixup_imports Module (file) ADVAPI32.dll (which is needed by 
C:\Program Files\qemu\putty.exe) not found

~ Misty De Meo

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Re: [Qemu-devel] Question about WINE

[Lionel Ulmer]

> it gives me the following errors:
> Could not stat /mnt/fd0 (No such file or directory), ignoring drive A:
> Warning: could not find wine config [Drive x] entry for current working 
> directory /usr/local/wine-i386/bin; starting in windows directory.
> qemu: Unsupported syscall: 186
> qemu: Unsupported syscall: 186
> err:module:PE_fixup_imports Module (file) ADVAPI32.dll (which is needed by 
> C:\Program Files\qemu\putty.exe) not found

Which version of Wine do you use for this tests ? If it's a recent one,
maybe all the 'hacks' added to support various new features in modern
distributions (exec-shield, pre-load, NPTL, ...) break Wine on QEMU.

              Lionel

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Re: [Qemu-devel] Question about WINE

[Misty De Meo]

>Which version of Wine do you use for this tests ? If it's a recent one,
>maybe all the 'hacks' added to support various new features in modern
>distributions (exec-shield, pre-load, NPTL, ...) break Wine on QEMU.

I'm using the version that's distributed on the QEMU website. Perhaps not 
all of the necessary libs are included? I haven't access to an x86 Linux box 
to get them, unfortunately.

~ Misty De Meo

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