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From: "Jim C. Brown" <jma5@umd.edu>
To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] FreeOSZoo will stop March 1, 2005
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:18:45 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050213001845.GA19429@jbrown.mylinuxbox.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <420DD7F8.5080805@wasp.net.au>

On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 02:18:32PM +0400, Brad Campbell wrote:
> Jean-Michel POURE wrote:
> >Dear friends,
> >
> >Following Fabrice decision to transform QEMU into a proprietary closed 
> >solution without any kind of future, I don't find any reason to loose my 
> >company time and money fostering FreeOSZoo.
> 
> Woah.. what a severe knee jerk reaction based on nothing. Perhaps before 
> throwing your toys out of the pram, taking your bat and ball and heading 
> home you might actually wait for a reply from Fabrice clarifying his 
> intentions?

That is a good question. Why is Fabrice making kqemu propertiary?

I prefer open source code myself (because then I can fix any bugs in the code
on my own) but I do use propertiary software from time to time and I can live
with kqemu being propertiary. I don't like it, but as long as it works it is not
a problem for me.

And if it was, I'd just use qemu-softmmu and stay open.

It may be closed source but it is still free (as in beer). At least he isn't
charging us for his hard work.

> 
> Everyone seems so quick to scream and shout about a single little binary 
> object and license for one tiny part of the project. Perhaps there is a 
> good reason behind what Fabrice is doing. I'm just astonished at the 
> reaction to this. Whinge, bitch, moan.. I'm sure he is a busy lad and will 
> formulate a reply as time permits. Until you get a clear statement on the 
> issue (Fabrice is a clever lad, I'm damn sure he knows *exactly* what he is 
> doing) why not just stop pontificating, hurling abuse and accusations and 
> get on with your lives!
> 

I agree that shutting FreeOSZoo down just because of kqemu is extreme (one
can check out cvs right now and get all the open source qemu w/o any
propertiary code whatsoever, so qemu is still free).

I can think of 3 reasons why kqemu is not free:

1) There are those that use qemu without giving Fabrice any money or credit
(such as iEmulator). This is best resolved by legal action, but it may be
difficult for a single person to fight against an entire company, financial-wise.

2) Fabrice wants to hold on to the source in order to make revenue from it in
the future.

3) (This one is a long shot) There may be patent issues that prevent Fabrice
from releasing his source code.

Remember that the rest of qemu is open source. So if it is such a big problem
for you, why not reimplement kqemu yourself? I'm trying, you can too.

> 
> Brad
> -- 
> "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability
> to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable
> for their apparent disinclination to do so." -- Douglas Adams
> 
> 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-02-13  1:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-02-12  9:18 [Qemu-devel] FreeOSZoo will stop March 1, 2005 Jean-Michel POURE
2005-02-12 10:15 ` Magnus Damm
2005-02-12 10:18 ` Brad Campbell
2005-02-12 12:19   ` Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
2005-02-12 12:20   ` Daniel Egger
2005-02-12 13:42     ` Brad Campbell
2005-02-12 16:15       ` Daniel Egger
2005-02-12 17:00         ` Fabrice Bellard
2005-02-12 18:11         ` Jernej Simončič
2005-02-12 21:18           ` Daniel Egger
2005-02-12 23:01             ` Darrin Ritter
2005-02-13  0:06             ` Jernej Simončič
2005-02-13 11:28               ` Daniel Egger
2005-02-13 17:01                 ` Jim C. Brown
2005-02-13 17:40                   ` [Qemu-devel] Plex86 and Qemu jeebs
2005-02-13 18:27                     ` Jim C. Brown
2005-02-13 19:35                       ` jeebs
2005-02-13 22:06                         ` Jim C. Brown
2005-02-13 23:20                           ` jeebs
2005-02-14  0:05                             ` [Qemu-devel] coLinux and Qemu? --was-- " Darryl Dixon
2005-02-14  0:37                               ` Jim C. Brown
2005-02-14  0:58                                 ` Mark Williamson
2005-02-14  0:34                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Jim C. Brown
2005-02-14 10:39                           ` Andreas Bollhalder
2005-02-13 22:18                         ` Adrian Smarzewski
2005-02-13 23:04                           ` Martin Koniczek
2005-02-14 14:18                         ` Phil Krylov
2005-02-15 23:32               ` Old version support. Was: Re: [Qemu-devel] FreeOSZoo will stop March 1, 2005 Gregory Alexander
2005-02-16 18:51                 ` Fabrice Bellard
2005-02-13  0:18   ` Jim C. Brown [this message]
2005-02-13  4:42     ` James Mastros
2005-02-13  5:26       ` Jim C. Brown
2005-02-13  6:21         ` James Mastros
2005-02-13 10:02           ` Darryl Dixon
2005-02-13 16:53           ` Jim C. Brown
2005-02-13 13:32     ` [Qemu-devel] " Robert Wittams
2005-02-12 22:41 ` [Qemu-devel] " Grzegorz Kulewski
2005-02-17 21:53   ` Herbert Poetzl
2005-02-17 22:18     ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2005-02-17 23:25       ` Fabrice Bellard
2005-02-18  4:29         ` John R. Hogerhuis
2005-02-18  8:23           ` Asko Kauppi
2005-02-18 11:05           ` Elefterios Stamatogiannakis

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