From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D089Z-00020N-OK for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:02:26 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D089Y-0001zt-Ow for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:02:25 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D082x-0000M0-HT for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:55:35 -0500 Received: from [128.8.10.164] (helo=po2.wam.umd.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D07TL-0000Dg-Cx for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:18:47 -0500 Received: from jbrown.mylinuxbox.org (jma-box.student.umd.edu [129.2.237.180]) by po2.wam.umd.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1D0IkMY000021 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:18:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:18:45 -0500 From: "Jim C. Brown" Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] FreeOSZoo will stop March 1, 2005 Message-ID: <20050213001845.GA19429@jbrown.mylinuxbox.org> References: <200502121018.09039.jm@poure.com> <420DD7F8.5080805@wasp.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <420DD7F8.5080805@wasp.net.au> Reply-To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: qemu-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 02:18:32PM +0400, Brad Campbell wrote: > Jean-Michel POURE wrote: > >Dear friends, > > > >Following Fabrice decision to transform QEMU into a proprietary closed > >solution without any kind of future, I don't find any reason to loose my > >company time and money fostering FreeOSZoo. > > Woah.. what a severe knee jerk reaction based on nothing. Perhaps before > throwing your toys out of the pram, taking your bat and ball and heading > home you might actually wait for a reply from Fabrice clarifying his > intentions? That is a good question. Why is Fabrice making kqemu propertiary? I prefer open source code myself (because then I can fix any bugs in the code on my own) but I do use propertiary software from time to time and I can live with kqemu being propertiary. I don't like it, but as long as it works it is not a problem for me. And if it was, I'd just use qemu-softmmu and stay open. It may be closed source but it is still free (as in beer). At least he isn't charging us for his hard work. > > Everyone seems so quick to scream and shout about a single little binary > object and license for one tiny part of the project. Perhaps there is a > good reason behind what Fabrice is doing. I'm just astonished at the > reaction to this. Whinge, bitch, moan.. I'm sure he is a busy lad and will > formulate a reply as time permits. Until you get a clear statement on the > issue (Fabrice is a clever lad, I'm damn sure he knows *exactly* what he is > doing) why not just stop pontificating, hurling abuse and accusations and > get on with your lives! > I agree that shutting FreeOSZoo down just because of kqemu is extreme (one can check out cvs right now and get all the open source qemu w/o any propertiary code whatsoever, so qemu is still free). I can think of 3 reasons why kqemu is not free: 1) There are those that use qemu without giving Fabrice any money or credit (such as iEmulator). This is best resolved by legal action, but it may be difficult for a single person to fight against an entire company, financial-wise. 2) Fabrice wants to hold on to the source in order to make revenue from it in the future. 3) (This one is a long shot) There may be patent issues that prevent Fabrice from releasing his source code. Remember that the rest of qemu is open source. So if it is such a big problem for you, why not reimplement kqemu yourself? I'm trying, you can too. > > Brad > -- > "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability > to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable > for their apparent disinclination to do so." -- Douglas Adams > > > _______________________________________________ > Qemu-devel mailing list > Qemu-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/qemu-devel > -- Infinite complexity begets infinite beauty. Infinite precision begets infinite perfection.