[Qemu-devel] getting past the ctrl-alt-del login in NT

[Qemu-devel] getting past the ctrl-alt-del login in NT

[Wesley Parish]

Does anyone using qemu know how to do that?  bochs has a setting in its 
bochsrc file that allows you to click on "user-configured button" and it 
sends ctrl-alt-del to WinNT 4.0.

Is there any analogy to that in qemu?

Thanks

Wesley Parish
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Re: [Qemu-devel] getting past the ctrl-alt-del login in NT

[Andreas Mohr]

Hi,

On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 09:58:30PM +1200, Wesley Parish wrote:
> Does anyone using qemu know how to do that?  bochs has a setting in its 
> bochsrc file that allows you to click on "user-configured button" and it 
> sends ctrl-alt-del to WinNT 4.0.
> 
> Is there any analogy to that in qemu?
I'm almost 100% certain the qemu monitor has an option to send keycodes
that you need for workarounds in certain situations.

DISCLAIMER: Not A Qemu User (tm)

Andreas Mohr

Re: [Qemu-devel] getting past the ctrl-alt-del login in NT

[Michael McConnell]

Andreas Mohr wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 09:58:30PM +1200, Wesley Parish wrote:
> 
>>Does anyone using qemu know how to do that?  bochs has a setting in its 
>>bochsrc file that allows you to click on "user-configured button" and it 
>>sends ctrl-alt-del to WinNT 4.0.
>>
>>Is there any analogy to that in qemu?
> 
> I'm almost 100% certain the qemu monitor has an option to send keycodes
> that you need for workarounds in certain situations.
> 
> DISCLAIMER: Not A Qemu User (tm)

I have an NT4 installation under QEMU on my Linux box - and in grab 
mode, all I do is... press CTRL-ALT-DEL. Clicking in the window or 
hitting CTRL-ALT enters grab mode.

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Re: [Qemu-devel] getting past the ctrl-alt-del login in NT

[Guillaume POIRIER]

Hi,

On 9/25/05, Michael McConnell <soruk@eridani.co.uk> wrote:
> Andreas Mohr wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 09:58:30PM +1200, Wesley Parish wrote:
> >
> >>Does anyone using qemu know how to do that?  bochs has a setting in its
> >>bochsrc file that allows you to click on "user-configured button" and it
> >>sends ctrl-alt-del to WinNT 4.0.
> >>
> >>Is there any analogy to that in qemu?
> >
> > I'm almost 100% certain the qemu monitor has an option to send keycodes
> > that you need for workarounds in certain situations.
> >
> > DISCLAIMER: Not A Qemu User (tm)
>
> I have an NT4 installation under QEMU on my Linux box - and in grab
> mode, all I do is... press CTRL-ALT-DEL. Clicking in the window or
> hitting CTRL-ALT enters grab mode.

FWIW: the CTRL-ALT-DEL sequence has been chosen so that it can't be
caught by a any program but windows (that to prevent trojan horses to
log your password instead of Windows's logging window). That means
that it's probably not possible to directly send the CTRL-ALT-DEL
sequence, but instead you need to map another series of keys that qemu
can send to the guest OS.

Guillaume

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Re: [Qemu-devel] getting past the ctrl-alt-del login in NT

[Hetz Ben Hamo]

in qemu monitor (press CTRL ALT 2 to reach to the monitor): type:
sendkey ctrl-alt-del  and press Enter
then press CTRL ALT 1 - and viola, you can type your login and password.

Hetz

On 9/25/05, Michael McConnell <soruk@eridani.co.uk> wrote:
> Andreas Mohr wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 09:58:30PM +1200, Wesley Parish wrote:
> >
> >>Does anyone using qemu know how to do that?  bochs has a setting in its
> >>bochsrc file that allows you to click on "user-configured button" and it
> >>sends ctrl-alt-del to WinNT 4.0.
> >>
> >>Is there any analogy to that in qemu?
> >
> > I'm almost 100% certain the qemu monitor has an option to send keycodes
> > that you need for workarounds in certain situations.
> >
> > DISCLAIMER: Not A Qemu User (tm)
>
> I have an NT4 installation under QEMU on my Linux box - and in grab
> mode, all I do is... press CTRL-ALT-DEL. Clicking in the window or
> hitting CTRL-ALT enters grab mode.
>
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> -- Michael "Soruk" McConnell
>    Eridani Star System
>
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Re: [Qemu-devel] getting past the ctrl-alt-del login in NT

[Jim C. Brown]

On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 12:28:14PM +0200, Andreas Mohr wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 09:58:30PM +1200, Wesley Parish wrote:
> > Does anyone using qemu know how to do that?  bochs has a setting in its 
> > bochsrc file that allows you to click on "user-configured button" and it 
> > sends ctrl-alt-del to WinNT 4.0.
> > 
> > Is there any analogy to that in qemu?
> I'm almost 100% certain the qemu monitor has an option to send keycodes
> that you need for workarounds in certain situations.
> 

It's called sendkey.

> DISCLAIMER: Not A Qemu User (tm)
> 
> Andreas Mohr
> 
> 
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Re: [Qemu-devel] getting past the ctrl-alt-del login in NT

[Jim C. Brown]

On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 02:48:51PM +0200, Guillaume POIRIER wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > I have an NT4 installation under QEMU on my Linux box - and in grab
> > mode, all I do is... press CTRL-ALT-DEL. Clicking in the window or
> > hitting CTRL-ALT enters grab mode.
> 
> FWIW: the CTRL-ALT-DEL sequence has been chosen so that it can't be
> caught by a any program but windows (that to prevent trojan horses to
> log your password instead of Windows's logging window). That means
> that it's probably not possible to directly send the CTRL-ALT-DEL
> sequence, but instead you need to map another series of keys that qemu
> can send to the guest OS.
> 
> Guillaume
> 

That restriction doesn't seem to apply to Linux/X.

But I agree, using sendkey is probably smarter.

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Re: [Qemu-devel] getting past the ctrl-alt-del login in NT

[Paul Brook]

> > I have an NT4 installation under QEMU on my Linux box - and in grab
> > mode, all I do is... press CTRL-ALT-DEL. Clicking in the window or
> > hitting CTRL-ALT enters grab mode.
>
> FWIW: the CTRL-ALT-DEL sequence has been chosen so that it can't be
> caught by a any program but windows (that to prevent trojan horses to
> log your password instead of Windows's logging window). That means
> that it's probably not possible to directly send the CTRL-ALT-DEL
> sequence, but instead you need to map another series of keys that qemu
> can send to the guest OS.

That's only true if you're on a windows host.  There's nothing intrinsically 
special about ctrl-alt-del.

Many environments do trap that combination before it gets to user 
applications, mainly for consistency with windows/dos, but it's by no means 
universal.

Paul

Re: [Qemu-devel] getting past the ctrl-alt-del login in NT

[Mike Swanson]

Indeed, however I've noticed that a few distros' X-Servers (it doesn't
seem to apply to vanilla X.org) will pass Ctrl-Alt-Delete to INIT and
cause a system reboot or logout the user... on these, there's usually
a setting in xorg.conf to prevent Ctrl-Alt-Delete from being passed to
INIT and just be a normal part of X's lock on the keyboard.

On 9/25/05, Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com> wrote:
> That's only true if you're on a windows host.  There's nothing intrinsically
> special about ctrl-alt-del.
>
> Many environments do trap that combination before it gets to user
> applications, mainly for consistency with windows/dos, but it's by no means
> universal.
>
> Paul
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Re: [Qemu-devel] getting past the ctrl-alt-del login in NT

[Wesley Parish]

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:46, Mike Swanson wrote:
> Indeed, however I've noticed that a few distros' X-Servers (it doesn't
> seem to apply to vanilla X.org) will pass Ctrl-Alt-Delete to INIT and
> cause a system reboot or logout the user... on these, there's usually
> a setting in xorg.conf to prevent Ctrl-Alt-Delete from being passed to
> INIT and just be a normal part of X's lock on the keyboard.

Thanks.  I've got Mandrake10.0, and it does treat ctrl-alt-del as a call to 
INIT.
>
> On 9/25/05, Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com> wrote:
> > That's only true if you're on a windows host.  There's nothing
> > intrinsically special about ctrl-alt-del.
> >
> > Many environments do trap that combination before it gets to user
> > applications, mainly for consistency with windows/dos, but it's by no
> > means universal.
> >
> > Paul
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Re: [Qemu-devel] getting past the ctrl-alt-del login in NT

[Wesley Parish]

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 01:00, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
> in qemu monitor (press CTRL ALT 2 to reach to the monitor): type:
> sendkey ctrl-alt-del  and press Enter
> then press CTRL ALT 1 - and viola, you can type your login and password.

Thanks.  I'll do that.
>
> Hetz
>
> On 9/25/05, Michael McConnell <soruk@eridani.co.uk> wrote:
> > Andreas Mohr wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 09:58:30PM +1200, Wesley Parish wrote:
> > >>Does anyone using qemu know how to do that?  bochs has a setting in its
> > >>bochsrc file that allows you to click on "user-configured button" and
> > >> it sends ctrl-alt-del to WinNT 4.0.
> > >>
> > >>Is there any analogy to that in qemu?
> > >
> > > I'm almost 100% certain the qemu monitor has an option to send keycodes
> > > that you need for workarounds in certain situations.
> > >
> > > DISCLAIMER: Not A Qemu User (tm)
> >
> > I have an NT4 installation under QEMU on my Linux box - and in grab
> > mode, all I do is... press CTRL-ALT-DEL. Clicking in the window or
> > hitting CTRL-ALT enters grab mode.
> >
> > --
> > -- Michael "Soruk" McConnell
> >    Eridani Star System
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Qemu-devel] getting past the ctrl-alt-del login in NT

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Sun, 2005-09-25 at 15:00 +0200, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
> in qemu monitor (press CTRL ALT 2 to reach to the monitor): type:
> sendkey ctrl-alt-del  and press Enter
> then press CTRL ALT 1 - and viola, you can type your login and password.
> 
> Hetz
> 

Implies a nice feature would be to allow CTRL-ALT combinations above 3
to be bound to key sequences like CTRL-ALT-DEL in guest. So you could
bind CTRL-ALT-4 to CTRL-ALT-DEL and skip the intermediate step.

VmWare lets me type in CTRL-ALT-DEL without any problems, but it is also
more invasive than QEMU wants to be.

-- John.

Re: [Qemu-devel] getting past the ctrl-alt-del login in NT

[Jim C. Brown]

On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 10:44:37AM -0700, John R. Hogerhuis wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-09-25 at 15:00 +0200, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
> > in qemu monitor (press CTRL ALT 2 to reach to the monitor): type:
> > sendkey ctrl-alt-del  and press Enter

Incidently, its sendkey ctrl-alt-delete (ctrl-alt-del didn't work for me
last time i tried it at least).

> > then press CTRL ALT 1 - and viola, you can type your login and password.
> > 
> > Hetz
> > 
> 
> Implies a nice feature would be to allow CTRL-ALT combinations above 3
> to be bound to key sequences like CTRL-ALT-DEL in guest. So you could
> bind CTRL-ALT-4 to CTRL-ALT-DEL and skip the intermediate step.
> 

CTRL-ALT-4 is the parallel port console, parallel0. If you added more consoles,
those would take up more numbers. Of course, theres no reason why we can't
map CTRL-ALT-D to CTRL-ALT-DELETE in the guest, CTRL-ALT-P to the Pause/Break
key, CTRL-ALT-B to CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE, etc.

> VmWare lets me type in CTRL-ALT-DEL without any problems, but it is also
> more invasive than QEMU wants to be.
> 
> -- John.
> 
> 
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Re: [Qemu-devel] getting past the ctrl-alt-del login in NT

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Mon, 2005-09-26 at 16:08 -0400, Jim C. Brown wrote:

> CTRL-ALT-4 is the parallel port console, parallel0. If you added more consoles,
> those would take up more numbers. Of course, theres no reason why we can't
> map CTRL-ALT-D to CTRL-ALT-DELETE in the guest, CTRL-ALT-P to the Pause/Break
> key, CTRL-ALT-B to CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE, etc.
> 

Yes, those mappings make more sense than what I was saying (easier to
remember and no confusion with consoles).

To top if off, maybe CTRL-ALT-H or CTRL-ALT-? which pops up a list of
the current mappings in case you forget.

-- John.