[Qemu-devel] Accelerator feature

[Qemu-devel] Accelerator feature

[Karlos .]

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QEMU Accelerator license is not ethical. 

Open the code unless you have something to hide.


 		
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Re: [Qemu-devel] Accelerator feature

[Karel Gardas]

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Karlos . wrote:

>
> QEMU Accelerator license is not ethical.
>
> Open the code unless you have something to hide.

Karlos,

do you think it's ethical to attack Fabrice for his kernel module license 
choice? Please consider what you've done for Qemu yourself, what Qemu 
user/developers community gained from your work on Qemu. If you have not 
provided anything, then please just think about it next time you're going 
to attack somebody who provided a lot.

Thanks,
Karel
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Re: [Qemu-devel] Accelerator feature

[Leonardo E. Reiter]

Don't use it if you don't like the license... the author has the right
to license it how he wants.  Or... you can develop your own version, or
use/contribute to the open source alternative, qvm86.

- Leo Reiter

Karlos . wrote:
> 
> QEMU Accelerator license is not ethical.
> 
> Open the code unless you have something to hide.
> 
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Re: [Qemu-devel] Accelerator feature

[Jonathan Kalbfeld]

To be honest, I'd be willing to PAY Fabrice for QEMU.

What else can I use to boot windows 2k on my sun blade 2000 at work?

jonathan

On 7/29/06, Karel Gardas <kgardas@objectsecurity.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Karlos . wrote:
>
> >
> > QEMU Accelerator license is not ethical.
> >
> > Open the code unless you have something to hide.
>
> Karlos,
>
> do you think it's ethical to attack Fabrice for his kernel module license
> choice? Please consider what you've done for Qemu yourself, what Qemu
> user/developers community gained from your work on Qemu. If you have not
> provided anything, then please just think about it next time you're going
> to attack somebody who provided a lot.
>
> Thanks,
> Karel
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Re: [Qemu-devel] Accelerator feature

[Andrew Barr]

On Sat, 2006-07-29 at 14:56 -0700, Jonathan Kalbfeld wrote:
> To be honest, I'd be willing to PAY Fabrice for QEMU.
> 
> What else can I use to boot windows 2k on my sun blade 2000 at work?
> 
> jonathan

I have never seen anyone say why KQEMU is closed, though, at least
beyond any speculation. And I've searched the mailing list archives at
Gmane, reading the long thread from when KQEMU was new and the various
threads since then.

I certainly respect that as the author of the code Fabrice has made that
choice, but I'd just be interested to know why.

QVM86 was a viable alternative in my mind, at least until KQEMU got
kernel-mode virtualization. Oh, well.

Andrew

[Qemu-devel] Re: Accelerator feature

[Anthony Liguori]

Please don't feed the trolls :-)  Best thing to do is just ignore messages
like this.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:13:44 -0400, Leonardo E. Reiter wrote:

> Don't use it if you don't like the license... the author has the right to
> license it how he wants.  Or... you can develop your own version, or
> use/contribute to the open source alternative, qvm86.
> 
> - Leo Reiter
> 
> Karlos . wrote:
>> 
>> QEMU Accelerator license is not ethical.
>> 
>> Open the code unless you have something to hide.
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

RE: [Qemu-devel] Re: Accelerator feature

[Karlos .]

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I dont use kqemu because i think its license is not ethical.

Its my opinion. Please dont call me troll if you dont like it.


Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws> escribió: Please don't feed the trolls :-)  Best thing to do is just ignore messages
like this.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:13:44 -0400, Leonardo E. Reiter wrote:

> Don't use it if you don't like the license... the author has the right to
> license it how he wants.  Or... you can develop your own version, or
> use/contribute to the open source alternative, qvm86.
> 
> - Leo Reiter
> 
> Karlos . wrote:
>> 
>> QEMU Accelerator license is not ethical.
>> 
>> Open the code unless you have something to hide.
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------




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Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Accelerator feature

[Ricardo Almeida]

On 7/30/06, Karlos . <karlos_vigo@yahoo.es> wrote:
> I dont use kqemu because i think its license is not ethical.

You can do what you want. Nobody is forcing you to use kqemu.

> Its my opinion. Please dont call me troll if you dont like it.

You're a troll, not because you don't use kqemu because you disagree
with its licence, but because instead of asking why is the code closed
or what are the conditions required to open it are, you said:

> >> QEMU Accelerator license is not ethical.

Who are you to define what is ethical? Do you belong to any ethical board?!

> >> Open the code unless you have something to hide.

Who are you to order something? Fabrice develop it free to you, it
could be a paid addon... Have you though of it? You should consider
yourself lucky that someone develops such a great tool and gives it
away for free.

Think before you talk (write in this case), then people can take you
seriosly. Until then, I'm sorry, but you're a troll :p

Regards,
Ricardo Almeida

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Accelerator feature

[Karlos .]

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I asked lot of times before my first email why its closed. Dont assume that i didnt it.

"Open the code unless you have something to hide." was an advice, not an order.

Everybody has an ethic, me too. And in my ethic this behavior is not ethic, im sorry.



Ricardo Almeida <ric.almeida@gmail.com> escribió: On 7/30/06, Karlos .  wrote:
> I dont use kqemu because i think its license is not ethical.

You can do what you want. Nobody is forcing you to use kqemu.

> Its my opinion. Please dont call me troll if you dont like it.

You're a troll, not because you don't use kqemu because you disagree
with its licence, but because instead of asking why is the code closed
or what are the conditions required to open it are, you said:

> >> QEMU Accelerator license is not ethical.

Who are you to define what is ethical? Do you belong to any ethical board?!

> >> Open the code unless you have something to hide.

Who are you to order something? Fabrice develop it free to you, it
could be a paid addon... Have you though of it? You should consider
yourself lucky that someone develops such a great tool and gives it
away for free.

Think before you talk (write in this case), then people can take you
seriosly. Until then, I'm sorry, but you're a troll :p

Regards,
Ricardo Almeida


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Re: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Accelerator feature

[Joseph Stewart]

I am ethic and my ethic is: "All your base are belong to us", am this
your ethic, too?

On 7/30/06, Karlos . <karlos_vigo@yahoo.es> wrote:
> I asked lot of times before my first email why its closed. Dont assume that
> i didnt it.
>
> "Open the code unless you have something to hide." was an advice, not an
> order.
>
> Everybody has an ethic, me too. And in my ethic this behavior is not ethic,
> im sorry.
>
>
>
> Ricardo Almeida <ric.almeida@gmail.com> escribió:
>  On 7/30/06, Karlos . wrote:
> > I dont use kqemu because i think its license is not ethical.
>
> You can do what you want. Nobody is forcing you to use kqemu.
>
> > Its my opinion. Please dont call me troll if you dont like it.
>
> You're a troll, not because you don't use kqemu because you disagree
> with its licence, but because instead of asking why is the code closed
> or what are the conditions required to open it are, you said:
>
> > >> QEMU Accelerator license is not ethical.
>
> Who are you to define what is ethical? Do you belong to any ethical board?!
>
> > >> Open the code unless you have something to hide.
>
> Who are you to order something? Fabrice develop it free to you, it
> could be a paid addon... Have you though of it? You should consider
> yourself lucky that someone develops such a great tool and gives it
> away for free.
>
> Think before you talk (write in this case), then people can take you
> seriosly. Until then, I'm sorry, but you're a troll :p
>
> Regards,
> Ricardo Almeida
>
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Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Accelerator feature

[André Braga]

On 7/30/06, Karlos . <karlos_vigo@yahoo.es> wrote:
> I asked lot of times before my first email why its closed. Dont assume that
> i didnt it.

Look, I'm subscribed to this list for more than two years now (since
at least 18/July/2004), and I've never seen a SINGLE message from you.

Fabrice already said he'd gladly open up the source for KQEMU IF, and
ONLY IF, some company would provide him solid funding. He's trying to
make a living there, you know?

People who were uncomfortable with the closed source status of KQEMU
then wrote qvm86. You don't like KQEMU's closed status? Then use
qvm86. It's that simple.

The source is closed because he so saw fit. It's his code, he CAN do
it. And it's been obviously reverse-engineered by anyone able to run
strace and objdump.


(p.s.: I'm not by any means implying that the qvm86 authors
reverse-engineered the closed part of KQEMU to derive qvm86's code. I
meant that anyone with some skill could have reverse-engineered KQEMU
enough [since it's so small] to check for any rogue/suspicious
activities).

Re: [Qemu-devel] Accelerator feature

[Jamie Lokier]

Karlos . wrote:
>    QEMU Accelerator license is not ethical.
>    Open the code unless you have something to hide.

Well it's not ethical to force someone to work against their wishes either.

And many would say it's not ethical to demand someone to license their
own work in a way they don't agree with.

So if _you_ don't agree with the Accelerator license, the ethical
thing for you to do, Karlos, is to write your own version of the
Accelerator and make it available with whatever license you think is
best.

Immho,
-- Jamie

Re: [Qemu-devel] Accelerator feature

[Jamie Lokier]

Jonathan Kalbfeld wrote:
> To be honest, I'd be willing to PAY Fabrice for QEMU.

Well, have you donated? :)

Personally, I'd be willing to pay Fabrice for the Accelerator if it
were open source.  But I don't pay for closed source software unless
it's unavoidable.  But each is entitled to make their own decision,
and that's best.

-- Jamie

Re: [Qemu-devel] Accelerator feature

[Mark Williamson]

> Well, have you donated? :)

Is there a way to donate?  Couldn't find anything on the main site.

> Personally, I'd be willing to pay Fabrice for the Accelerator if it
> were open source.  But I don't pay for closed source software unless
> it's unavoidable.  But each is entitled to make their own decision,
> and that's best.

I'd donate money to the cause of opening the accelerator code: for instance, 
I'd pay towards a target "bounty" for the opening of the code.  I imagine 
others would too.

It is of course up to Fabrice whether he wants to do this: stable funding from 
a distributor would obviously be much better and enable him to do more work 
on QEmu in the future.  I'm just pointing out there are other options open to 
him if he wished to take them ;-)

Cheers,
Mark

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Accelerator feature

[Jamie Lokier]

Karlos . wrote:
>    "Open  the code unless you have something to hide." was an advice, not
>    an order.

Ok.  Maybe English is not your first language.

To a native English speaker, the sentence you wrote is very clearly
written as an order.

If you want to advise, a way to write is is:

    I think it would be better to open the code.

(And give reasons why).

-- Jamie