Re: [Qemu-devel] International Virtualization Conference

["Jim C. Brown" <jma5@umd.edu>]

On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 11:48:33AM -0400, Rob Landley wrote:
> > Here you are using the terms "virtual" and "emulated" interchangably. That's
> > ok as long as the difference between virtualization and virtual/emulated is
> > understood. 
> 
> Well, the hardware people see a huge difference.  To them one is "doing it in 
> hardware" and the other is "doing it in software".
> 

That is not how he uses the terms. He uses them interchangably.

I was just trying to make clear the difference between emulation and virtualization.

> 
> > If I follow your logic, then bochs is also a good canidate for the workshop.
> 
> If you mean the way Hurd is a candidate for a workshop anywhere Linux is, 
> sure.

I was trying to say that qemu (sans kqemu) is a bad candidate. Someone else explains the virtualization-vs-emulation thing much better than I could (short answer: VMware, kqemu, and other virtualizers do it in the hardware whie emulators like qemu and bochs do fully it in the software).

>  If it's a purely academic conference where being useful doesn't enter 
> into it.  (I followed Bochs and Plex86 5 years ago, but could never actually 
> get them to do anything useful despite repeated attempts.  Still haven't, 
> although I see Bochs is back from the dead...)

Someone else pointed it out was more a corporate marketing gig. *shrug*.

> 
> > -- 
> 
> And I'm sorry, but I find your tagline actively wrong:
> 
> > Infinite complexity begets infinite beauty.
> 
> It begets "unmaintainable" after about 5 minutes.
> 

Natural complexity not human-made complexity :)

Think fractals here. Or those pretty pictures we get when looking at subatomic particles.

> > Infinite precision begets infinite perfection.
> 
> You've never been micro-managed, have you?
> 

Really not what I was referring to. :P

> "Perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add, but when 
> there is no longer anything to take away."
>  - Antoine de Saint-Exupery

I agree.

> 
> Rob
> -- 
> "Perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add, but when 
> there is no longer anything to take away." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
> 

-- 
Infinite complexity begets infinite beauty.
Infinite precision begets infinite perfection.