From: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>
To: Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Config file support
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:31:46 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200610261031.47226.rob@landley.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200610251601.50491.paul@codesourcery.com>
On Wednesday 25 October 2006 11:01 am, Paul Brook wrote:
> > Oh, c'mon, Rob! I really didn't want to ask Paul Brook that, but
> > sure you'll fix my cluelessness right here, right now - tell me, tell me,
> > why Linux has dynamic-loadable modules support, which clueless passers-by
> > like me call "plugins"? It must be closed-source diversion, no?
>
> Linux has genuine reasons for wanting modules.
> Kernel size is important because (a) it has to be loaded by the bootloader,
> often from a small, slow device (eg. floppy, flash or network).
> (b) The whole kernel is permanently locked into ram. It you've ever tried to
> build a kernel with everything enable you'll know the result is unreasonably
> large. Modules allow the same kernel to work on a wide variety of large and
> small machines.
It also avoids a reboot cycle when you want to debug small changes to drivers
(assuming you didn't crash). Restarting a userspace app (like qemu) takes
five seconds. Restarting the kernel can take a minute and change, and often
involves pressing a button on a machine that's shoved under a desk and hard
to get at.
I've found avoiding the reboot cycle to be a nice thing with qemu (and User
Mode Linux), but alas you can't test a driver for hardware qemu doesn't
emulate. Nice for filesystems and VM stuff, though...
Rob
--
"Perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add, but
when there is no longer anything to take away." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-10-26 14:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-10-20 17:55 [Qemu-devel] Config file support Chuck Brazie
2006-10-21 0:12 ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-10-21 10:00 ` Ricardo Almeida
2006-10-21 11:40 ` Stefan Weil
2006-10-22 9:51 ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-10-22 17:01 ` Flavio Visentin
2006-10-22 17:19 ` Martin Guy
2006-10-22 18:27 ` Paul Brook
2006-10-23 6:33 ` [Qemu-devel] " Antti P Miettinen
2006-10-23 20:01 ` [Qemu-devel] " Rob Landley
2006-10-23 20:29 ` Paul Brook
2006-10-23 22:22 ` Rob Landley
2006-10-23 23:33 ` Paul Brook
2006-10-24 9:04 ` Rob Landley
2006-10-24 10:47 ` Flavio Visentin
2006-10-24 12:05 ` Christian MICHON
2006-10-24 16:46 ` Blue Swirl
2006-10-24 20:38 ` Christian MICHON
2006-10-24 23:32 ` Rob Landley
2006-10-25 8:20 ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-10-24 0:11 ` andrzej zaborowski
2006-10-24 0:34 ` Paul Brook
2006-10-24 0:12 ` Re[2]: " Paul Sokolovsky
2006-10-24 0:36 ` Paul Brook
2006-10-24 1:38 ` Re[2]: " Paul Sokolovsky
2006-10-24 2:31 ` Paul Brook
2006-10-24 8:37 ` Christian MICHON
2006-10-24 23:28 ` Rob Landley
2006-10-25 0:18 ` Re[2]: " Paul Sokolovsky
2006-10-25 15:01 ` Paul Brook
2006-10-26 14:31 ` Rob Landley [this message]
2006-10-27 20:00 ` Re[2]: " Paul Sokolovsky
2006-10-27 19:33 ` Paul Sokolovsky
2006-10-28 0:08 ` Paul Brook
2006-10-28 1:46 ` Re[2]: " Paul Sokolovsky
2006-10-24 23:28 ` Rob Landley
2006-10-21 18:00 ` David Baird
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-10-23 18:25 [Qemu-devel] config " Ben Taylor
2006-10-18 18:42 Chuck Brazie
2006-10-22 21:51 ` Rob Landley
2006-10-23 10:58 ` Christian MICHON
2006-10-23 11:48 ` Jan Marten Simons
2006-10-23 12:24 ` Paul Brook
2006-10-23 17:50 ` K. Richard Pixley
2006-10-23 20:39 ` Rob Landley
2006-10-23 20:58 ` Paul Brook
2006-10-23 21:01 ` K. Richard Pixley
2006-10-23 21:17 ` M. Warner Losh
2006-10-23 20:42 ` André Braga
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