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From: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>
To: Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Config file support
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:31:46 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200610261031.47226.rob@landley.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200610251601.50491.paul@codesourcery.com>

On Wednesday 25 October 2006 11:01 am, Paul Brook wrote:
> >   Oh, c'mon, Rob! I really didn't want to ask Paul Brook that, but
> > sure you'll fix my cluelessness right here, right now - tell me, tell me,
> > why Linux has dynamic-loadable modules support, which clueless passers-by
> > like me call "plugins"? It must be closed-source diversion, no?
> 
> Linux has genuine reasons for wanting modules.
> Kernel size is important because (a) it has to be loaded by the bootloader, 
> often from a small, slow device (eg. floppy, flash or network).
> (b) The whole kernel is permanently locked into ram. It you've ever tried to 
> build a kernel with everything enable you'll know the result is unreasonably 
> large. Modules allow the same kernel to work on a wide variety of large and 
> small machines.

It also avoids a reboot cycle when you want to debug small changes to drivers 
(assuming you didn't crash).  Restarting a userspace app (like qemu) takes 
five seconds.  Restarting the kernel can take a minute and change, and often 
involves pressing a button on a machine that's shoved under a desk and hard 
to get at.

I've found avoiding the reboot cycle to be a nice thing with qemu (and User 
Mode Linux), but alas you can't test a driver for hardware qemu doesn't 
emulate.  Nice for filesystems and VM stuff, though...

Rob
-- 
"Perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add, but
when there is no longer anything to take away." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery

  reply	other threads:[~2006-10-26 14:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-10-20 17:55 [Qemu-devel] Config file support Chuck Brazie
2006-10-21  0:12 ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-10-21 10:00   ` Ricardo Almeida
2006-10-21 11:40     ` Stefan Weil
2006-10-22  9:51     ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-10-22 17:01       ` Flavio Visentin
2006-10-22 17:19         ` Martin Guy
2006-10-22 18:27           ` Paul Brook
2006-10-23  6:33             ` [Qemu-devel] " Antti P Miettinen
2006-10-23 20:01             ` [Qemu-devel] " Rob Landley
2006-10-23 20:29               ` Paul Brook
2006-10-23 22:22                 ` Rob Landley
2006-10-23 23:33                   ` Paul Brook
2006-10-24  9:04                     ` Rob Landley
2006-10-24 10:47                     ` Flavio Visentin
2006-10-24 12:05                       ` Christian MICHON
2006-10-24 16:46                         ` Blue Swirl
2006-10-24 20:38                           ` Christian MICHON
2006-10-24 23:32                       ` Rob Landley
2006-10-25  8:20                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-10-24  0:11                   ` andrzej zaborowski
2006-10-24  0:34                     ` Paul Brook
2006-10-24  0:12                 ` Re[2]: " Paul Sokolovsky
2006-10-24  0:36                   ` Paul Brook
2006-10-24  1:38                     ` Re[2]: " Paul Sokolovsky
2006-10-24  2:31                       ` Paul Brook
2006-10-24  8:37                         ` Christian MICHON
2006-10-24 23:28                       ` Rob Landley
2006-10-25  0:18                         ` Re[2]: " Paul Sokolovsky
2006-10-25 15:01                           ` Paul Brook
2006-10-26 14:31                             ` Rob Landley [this message]
2006-10-27 20:00                               ` Re[2]: " Paul Sokolovsky
2006-10-27 19:33                             ` Paul Sokolovsky
2006-10-28  0:08                               ` Paul Brook
2006-10-28  1:46                                 ` Re[2]: " Paul Sokolovsky
2006-10-24 23:28                   ` Rob Landley
2006-10-21 18:00   ` David Baird
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-10-23 18:25 [Qemu-devel] config " Ben Taylor
2006-10-18 18:42 Chuck Brazie
2006-10-22 21:51 ` Rob Landley
2006-10-23 10:58   ` Christian MICHON
2006-10-23 11:48     ` Jan Marten Simons
2006-10-23 12:24       ` Paul Brook
2006-10-23 17:50   ` K. Richard Pixley
2006-10-23 20:39     ` Rob Landley
2006-10-23 20:58       ` Paul Brook
2006-10-23 21:01       ` K. Richard Pixley
2006-10-23 21:17       ` M. Warner Losh
2006-10-23 20:42     ` André Braga

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