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From: Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
To: Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: PATCH, RFC: Generic DMA framework
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:31:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200709081531.25197.paul@codesourcery.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f43fc5580709080707mc68c9a6m92f79e76d1972f7d@mail.gmail.com>

> From DMA2.txt, NCR89C100.txt, NCR89C105.txt and turbosparc.pdf I
> gather the following:
> - CPU and IOMMU always perform slave accesses
> - Slave accesses use the 28-bit address bus to select the device

I thought device selection was separate from the 28-bit SBus slave address 
space. ie. each device has exclusive ownership of the whole 28-bit address 
space, and it's effectively just multiplexing per-slave busses over a single 
electrical connection.

> - Slave accesses are not translated by IOMMU
> - NCR master devices (Lance, ESP) use an internal DREQ-style signal to
> indicate their need for DMA to their DMA controller
> - Master accesses use the 32-bit SBus data signals for both address and
> data - DMA controller is the master for NCR89C100+NCR89C105 combination -
> Master accesses are translated and controlled by IOMMU
> - Slave devices may or may not support master access cycles (not
> supported in the NCR case)
> - IOMMU can give direct bus access for "intelligent masters" (no devices
> known)
>
> We could model this using two buses: A slave bus between the CPU and
> the devices, and a master bus between devices and IOMMU. The slave bus
> translates the 36-bit CPU/memory bus addresses to 28-bit SBus bus
> addresses. The master bus uses IOMMU to translate 32-bit DVMA
> addresses to 36-bit CPU/memory bus addresses. Slave devices are
> connected to the slave bus and DREQs. Master devices and DMA
> controllers take the DREQs and both buses. Devices register the
> address ranges they serve on each bus.

IIUC devices never register addresses on the master bus. The only thing that 
responds on that bus is the IOMMU.

> On Sun4c (without IOMMU) there would be just one bus for both purposes
> (with the MMU quirk).
>
> For the Sparc64 PCI bus which has an IOMMU, a similar dual bus
> arrangement would be needed. On PC/PPC systems the two buses would be
> again one.

PCI shouldn't need a dual bus setup. You just have one bus for PCI and one bus 
for CPU/memory.

IMHO the whole point of having a generic bus infrastructure is that we can 
define address mapping in terms of [asymmetric] translations from one bus 
address space to another. This isolates teh device from needing to care about 
bridges and IOMMu.

If we're assuming 1:1 or symmetric address space mapping there doesn't seem 
much point modelling separate busses. Instead push everything into the device 
registration and DMA routines.

Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-08 14:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-14 19:48 [Qemu-devel] PATCH, RFC: Generic DMA framework Blue Swirl
2007-08-16 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl
2007-08-16 19:58   ` malc
2007-08-19 17:46     ` Blue Swirl
2007-08-24 19:40 ` Blue Swirl
2007-08-24 20:18   ` Paul Brook
2007-08-24 23:33     ` Fabrice Bellard
2007-08-25  0:29       ` Paul Brook
2007-08-26 11:30         ` Fabrice Bellard
2007-08-26 17:54           ` Blue Swirl
2007-08-28 19:03             ` Blue Swirl
2007-08-28 19:43               ` Paul Brook
2007-08-29 17:00                 ` Blue Swirl
2007-08-29 20:39                   ` Paul Brook
2007-08-29 21:18                     ` Paul Brook
2007-09-08 14:07                       ` Blue Swirl
2007-09-08 14:31                         ` Paul Brook [this message]
2007-09-08 14:53                           ` Blue Swirl
2007-09-08 16:03                             ` Paul Brook
2007-09-15 16:16                               ` Blue Swirl

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