From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] qcow2 - safe on kill? safe on power fail?
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:26:04 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080721212604.GA2823@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4884E6F1.5020205@codemonkey.ws>
Anthony Liguori wrote:
> Since your guest probably is using a journalled file system, you will be
> okay if something happens before that data gets written to disk[1].
Thanks Anthony, that's helpful.
> If the sector hasn't been previously allocated, then a new sector in the
> file needs to be allocated. This is going to change metadata within the
> QCOW2 file and this is where it is possible to corrupt a disk image.
> The operation of allocating a new disk sector is completely synchronous
> so no other code runs until this completes. Once the disk sector is
> allocated, you're safe again[1].
My main concern is corruption of the QCOW2 sector allocation map, and
subsequently QEMU/KVM breaking or going wildly haywire with that file.
With a normal filesystem, sure, there are lots of ways to get
corruption when certain events happen. But you don't lose the _whole_
filesystem.
My concern is that if the QCOW2 sector allocation map is corrupted by
these events, you may lose the _whole_ virtual machine, which can be a
pretty big loss.
Is the format robust enough to prevent that from being a problem?
(Backups help (but not good enough for things like a mail or database
server). But how do you safely backup the image of a VM that is
running 24x7? LVM snapshots are the only way I've thought of, and
they have a barrier problem, see below.)
> you have a file system that supports barriers and barriers
> are enabled by default (they aren't enabled by default with ext2/3)
There was recent talk of enabling them by default for ext3.
> you are running QEMU with cache=off to disable host write caching.
Doesn't that use O_DIRECT? O_DIRECT writes don't use barriers, and
fsync() does not deterministically issue a disk barrier if there's no
metadata change, so O_DIRECT writes are _less_ safe with disks which
have write-cache enabled than using normal writes.
What about using a partition, such as an LVM volume (so it can be
snapshotted without having to take down the VM)? I'm under the
impression there is no way to issue disk barrier flushes to a
partition, so that's screwed too. (Besides, LVM doesn't propagate
barrier requests from filesystems either...)
The last two paragraphs apply when using _any_ file format and break
the integrity of guest journalling filesystems, not just qcow2.
> Since no other code runs during this period, bugs in the device
> emulation, a user closing the SDL window, and issuing quit in the
> monitor, will not corrupt the disk image. Your guest may require an
> fsck but the QCOW2 image will be fine.
Does this apply to KVM as well? I thought KVM had a separate threads
for I/O, so problems in another subsystem might crash an I/O thread in
mid action. Is that work in progress?
Thanks again,
-- Jamie
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-07-21 21:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-03-05 21:18 [Qemu-devel] Signal handling and qcow2 image corruption David Barrett
2008-03-05 21:55 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-03-05 23:48 ` David Barrett
2008-03-06 6:57 ` Avi Kivity
2008-07-21 18:10 ` [Qemu-devel] qcow2 - safe on kill? safe on power fail? Jamie Lokier
2008-07-21 19:43 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-07-21 21:26 ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2008-07-21 22:14 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-07-21 23:47 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-22 6:06 ` Avi Kivity
2008-07-22 14:08 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-07-22 14:46 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-22 19:11 ` Avi Kivity
2008-07-22 14:32 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-21 22:00 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-07-21 22:15 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-07-21 22:22 ` David Barrett
2008-07-21 22:50 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-07-22 6:07 ` Avi Kivity
2008-07-22 14:11 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-07-22 14:36 ` Avi Kivity
2008-07-22 16:16 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-22 19:13 ` Avi Kivity
2008-07-22 20:04 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-22 21:25 ` Avi Kivity
2008-07-22 14:22 ` Jamie Lokier
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