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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] opengl rendering in the sdl window
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:16:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080908131639.GB4947@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48C348D3.6070702@codemonkey.ws>

Anthony Liguori wrote:
> I'd like to see if it really makes a difference performance wise to 
> render with OpenGL.  I've had good results in the past using software 
> bilinear interpolation to do scaling.  If OpenGL doesn't provide a 
> measurable performance advantage, doing it in software may be the right 
> thing to do.

Software interpolation, especially bilinear or other filter, is
relatively slow if you're expanding a lot of pixels e.g. 640x384 to
1920x1200.  OpenGL will surely beat it.

On the other hand, OpenGL can to be relatively slow (in my experience)
if there is no colour conversion and scaling to do and X11-SHM would
be a straight 2d blit on the server side.

In principle OpenGL should as fast as the 2d blit or faster on
implementations where the image in client app's memory is a
memory-mapped texture, but that seems to be still a work in progress
on BSD and Linux.  DRI2 was dropped this summer because the TTM
texture memory manager was ousted in favour of the GEM texture memory
manager... and they haven't caught up with each other yet.  You need
some kind of good shared texture memory to get great speed out of
OpenGL displaying a texture which is being constantly updated by the
client app.

Imho, if there is an OpenGL backend (overlaid on SDL, Xlib, or
whatever), it should be a switch, for the next few years probably
defaulting to X11-SHM (or plain X11 when remote), and changing the
default to OpenGL in a few years when that's working really well
everywhere.

-- Jamie

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-09-08 13:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-29 15:22 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] opengl rendering in the sdl window Stefano Stabellini
2008-09-02 16:53 ` Ian Jackson
2008-09-04  3:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-09-04  7:41   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-09-04  9:42   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-09-04 10:06     ` Andreas Färber
2008-09-04 10:20       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-09-05 16:42         ` Andreas Färber
2008-09-07  7:51         ` Avi Kivity
2008-09-07  3:07     ` Anthony Liguori
2008-09-07 16:31       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-09-08  0:12         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-09-04 10:06   ` Stefano Stabellini
2008-09-05 12:02     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-09-05 12:11       ` Samuel Thibault
2008-09-06 23:27         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-09-07 14:22           ` Samuel Thibault
2008-09-07 14:36             ` Paul Brook
2008-09-07 14:42               ` Samuel Thibault
2008-09-07 15:03                 ` Paul Brook
2008-09-07 15:12                   ` Samuel Thibault
2008-09-07 15:35                     ` Paul Brook
2008-09-07 15:41                       ` Samuel Thibault
2008-09-07 15:57                         ` Paul Brook
2008-09-08  0:08                         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-09-08  0:21                           ` Samuel Thibault
2008-09-08  1:18               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-09-08 10:38                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2008-09-08 13:21                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-09-05 16:44       ` Stefano Stabellini
2008-09-05 16:55         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-09-05 17:13           ` Stefano Stabellini
2008-09-07  3:21             ` Anthony Liguori
2008-09-08 10:48               ` Stefano Stabellini
2008-09-08 13:16               ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2008-09-08 13:51                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2008-09-08 13:41               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-09-08 13:48                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-09-08 14:56                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-09-08 15:08                     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-09-08 15:35                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-09-08 15:39                         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-09-08 16:23                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-09-08 16:47                             ` Anthony Liguori
2008-09-08 19:15                               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-09-08 19:43                             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-09-08 15:47                       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-09-08 16:05                         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-09-08 17:08                           ` Mike Kronenberg
2008-09-08 19:21                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-09-08 21:06                               ` Mike Kronenberg
2008-09-08 19:32                           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-09-08 19:48                           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-09-08 19:57                             ` Anthony Liguori
2008-09-08 20:11                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-09-08 23:18                         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-09-09  0:10                           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-09-09  2:45                             ` Anthony Liguori
2008-09-09  4:17                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-09-08 14:22                 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-09-07  7:48           ` Avi Kivity
2008-09-07 11:57             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-09-07 13:12               ` Avi Kivity
2008-09-08 10:30                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2008-09-08 10:35                   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-09-08 10:53                     ` Stefano Stabellini
2008-09-08 11:00                       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-09-08 12:38                         ` François Revol
2008-09-08 13:05                           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-09-08 13:08                           ` Anthony Liguori
2008-09-08 13:44                             ` François Revol
2008-09-05 18:11         ` malc
2008-09-04 10:14   ` Stefano Stabellini
2008-09-07  3:09     ` Anthony Liguori
2008-09-04 10:21   ` Andreas Färber

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