Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Disk integrity in QEMU

["Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>]

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:16:05AM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> Anthony Liguori wrote:
> 
> [O_DSYNC, O_DIRECT, and 0]
> 
> >
> >Thoughts?
> 
> There are (at least) three usage models for qemu:
> 
> - OS development tool
> - casual or client-side virtualization
> - server partitioning
> 
> The last two uses are almost always in conjunction with a hypervisor.
> 
> When using qemu as an OS development tool, data integrity is not very 
> important.  On the other hand, performance and caching are, especially 
> as the guest is likely to be restarted multiple times so the guest page 
> cache is of limited value.  For this use model the current default 
> (write back cache) is fine.

It is a myth that developers dont' care about data consistency / crash
safety. I've lost countless guest VMs to corruption when my host OS 
crashed & its just a waste of my time. Given the choice between 
likely-to-corrupt and not-likely-to-corrupt, even developers will 
want the latter. 

> The 'causal virtualization' use is when the user has a full native 
> desktop, and is also running another operating system.  In this case, 
> the host page cache is likely to be larger than the guest page cache.  
> Data integrity is important, so write-back is out of the picture.  I 
> guess for this use case O_DSYNC is preferred though O_DIRECT might not 
> be significantly slower for long-running guests.  This is because reads 
> are unlikely to be cached and writes will not benefit much from the host 
> pagecache.
> 
> For server partitioning, data integrity and performance are critical.  
> The host page cache is significantly smaller than the guest page cache; 
> if you have spare memory, give it to your guests.  O_DIRECT is 
> practically mandataed here; the host page cache does nothing except to 
> impose an additional copy.
> 
> Given the rather small difference between O_DSYNC and O_DIRECT, I favor 
> not adding O_DSYNC as it will add only marginal value.
> 
> Regarding choosing the default value, I think we should change the 
> default to be safe, that is O_DIRECT.  If that is regarded as too 
> radical, the default should be O_DSYNC with options to change it to 
> O_DIRECT or writeback.  Note that some disk formats will need updating 
> like qcow2 if they are not to have abyssal performance.

Absoutely agree that the default should be safe. I don't have enough 
knowledge to say whether O_DIRECT/O_DSYNC is best - which also implies
we should choose the best setting by default, because we can't expect
users to know the tradeoffs either.

Daniel
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