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From: "M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com>
To: jamie@shareable.org
Cc: jan.kiszka@web.de, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [5578] Increase default IO timeout from 10ms to 5s
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:19:58 -0700 (MST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081105.221958.756907011.imp@bsdimp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081106005312.GA26173@shareable.org>

In message: <20081106005312.GA26173@shareable.org>
            Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org> writes:
: M. Warner Losh wrote:
: > : > Which ones have a good kernel implementation of it?  FreeBSD's is
: > : > currently approximately:
: > : > 
: > : > 	if (!mask)
: > : > 		_sigprocmask(mask, &oldmask);
: > : > 	/* here */
: > : > 	select();
: > : > 	if (!mask)
: > : > 		_sigprocmask(oldmask, NULL);
: > : > 
: > : > I'm assuming that the problem is due to a signal arriving at /* here */.
: > : 
: > : If that's _kernel_ code and the kernel behaves like Linux, it's not a
: > : problem because signals don't affect the control flow until returning
: > : to userspace, meaning the select() will return EINTR.
: > 
: > It is currently user level code, and I'm looking at moving it into the
: > kernel, but I need to understand the race being talked about here.
: 
: Ugh, I had imagined FreeBSD would have got that right, since it's
: quite good in other areas.  I've added FreeBSD to my blacklist of
: broken pselect() implementations, thanks for the info.
: 
: Do you know if FreeBSD's pread() and pwrite() are also thread-unsafe
: userspace wrappers using lseek+read/write?  They are harder to avoid
: when you're looking at high performance code.

I haven't looked...

: > Why is it no good.  What is the race here?  Is it just the oldmask
: > thing and multiple callers to select, or is it something else?
: 
: It's racy with a single caller.  The race is: program's signal handler
: sets a flag like "alarm_happened = 1".  The program's main loop checks
: the flag before calling select().  If the signal is delivered before
: that check, the program doesn't call select() and handles the reason
: for the flag.  If the signal is delivered during select(), that
: returns EINTR and the program handles the reason for the flag.  But if
: the signal is delivered _between_ checking the flag and calling
: select(), the program gets stuck.
: 
: pselect() avoids that stuck state, by blocking the signal before the
: program checks the flag, and guaranteeing if the signal is delivered
: after that point, pselect() returns EINTR.  It's sort of analogous to
: pthread_cond_wait() needing a mutex.

OK.  that makes sense.

: > And if it is the oldmask thing, why wouldn't multiple callers of
: > pselect mess it up depending on what order they have.
: 
: Signal masks are per-thread anyway, multiple callers isn't an issue.

OK.  I have never had good things happen with signals and threads...

Warner

  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-06  5:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-31 18:40 [Qemu-devel] [5578] Increase default IO timeout from 10ms to 5s Anthony Liguori
2008-10-31 18:52 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-02 19:08   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2008-11-03 20:04     ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-03 20:36       ` Jan Kiszka
2008-11-03 21:50         ` Jan Kiszka
2008-11-03 22:00           ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-03 22:03             ` Jan Kiszka
2008-11-04  8:07             ` andrzej zaborowski
2008-11-04  8:22               ` Jan Kiszka
2008-11-04  8:33                 ` andrzej zaborowski
2008-11-04 11:32                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-11-04 16:22                     ` M. Warner Losh
2008-11-04 17:10                       ` Jan Kiszka
2008-11-04 17:55                         ` M. Warner Losh
2008-11-04 19:08                           ` Jan Kiszka
2008-11-05 15:00                       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-11-05 16:10                         ` M. Warner Losh
2008-11-05 18:21                           ` Jan Kiszka
2008-11-05 18:41                             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-11-05 20:16                             ` andrzej zaborowski
2008-11-05 20:28                               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-11-05 23:38                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-11-06  0:53                           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-11-06  5:19                             ` M. Warner Losh [this message]
2008-11-04  8:29           ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-31 19:41 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2008-10-31 20:13   ` Anthony Liguori

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