From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC 2/2] bdrv_aio_readv/writev_em
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:09:25 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081128110924.GE6138@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081127124351.GD10348@random.random>
Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> pthread_create() and do aio with pthreads by calling writev by hand.
>
> Use kernel based linux aio (I think it's much better as it won't
> screwup with contiguous I/O, and it handles o_direct random writes and
> random reads by keeping the lowlevel I/O pipeline full without threads
> but by just queuing _in_order_ [in order only from the point of view
> of the I/O scheduler of course] and asynchronously the commands of
> every different direct-io aio_readv/writev in the lowlevel storage
> queue without needing any scheduler and thread synchronization
> involvement).
The good things about linux-aio are as you described.
The bad thing is that I'm told linux-aio can block sometimes. Apart
from memory pressure (which can block the calling process anyway), an
aio implementation which can block is not so good.
Doing it in a pthread is less good for a lot of reasons. On the other
hand, I/O in a pthread should never block the main thread. We
discussed the "in order" part a while ago, and several people pointed
out that once there are a few I/Os in flight, the order should
stabilise automatically, but perhaps that's not so good in transient
situations.
(Ideally we'd use scheduler activations (syslets!) to avoid blocking
in any kernel I/O path no matter how complex, while keeping aio
ordering and avoiding unnecessary task switching. I haven't heard
much about progress on this since earlier this year...)
-- Jamie
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-11-28 11:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-11-27 12:35 [Qemu-devel] [RFC 1/2] pci-dma-api-v1 Andrea Arcangeli
2008-11-27 12:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 2/2] bdrv_aio_readv/writev_em Andrea Arcangeli
2008-11-28 11:09 ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2008-11-27 19:14 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 1/2] pci-dma-api-v1 Blue Swirl
2008-11-28 1:56 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-11-28 17:59 ` Blue Swirl
2008-11-28 18:50 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-11-28 19:03 ` Blue Swirl
2008-11-28 19:18 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-11-29 19:49 ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-30 17:20 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-11-30 22:31 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-30 18:04 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-11-30 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 1/1] pci-dma-api-v2 Andrea Arcangeli
2008-11-30 18:36 ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl
2008-11-30 19:04 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-11-30 19:11 ` Blue Swirl
2008-11-30 19:20 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-11-30 21:36 ` Blue Swirl
2008-11-30 22:54 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-30 22:50 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-12-01 9:41 ` Avi Kivity
2008-12-01 16:37 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-02 9:45 ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-30 22:38 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 1/2] pci-dma-api-v1 Anthony Liguori
2008-11-30 22:51 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-11-30 22:34 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-11-29 19:48 ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-30 17:29 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-11-30 20:27 ` Avi Kivity
2008-11-30 22:33 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-11-30 22:33 ` Anthony Liguori
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