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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Regression opening read-only cdroms
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:54:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090616155438.GL29040@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A37B756.6090008@redhat.com>

Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 06/16/2009 05:33 PM, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> >Avi Kivity wrote:
> >   
> >>qemu used to be quite happy opening read-only cdrom images, and I was
> >>quite happy feeding kvm-autotest a library of read-only iso images.
> >>     
> >
> >1. While we're here, an _option_ to open an image read-only even when
> >    you have write permission would be useful, for those occasions when
> >    you want to boot from some valuable image and be certain you aren't
> >    modifying it - without having to chmod back and forth in
> >    Qemu-wrapper scripts, or copy the image first.
> >   
> 
> read-only disk images don't make much sense.

And yet "chmod 444 image; qemu ..." works.
If you're booting from a disk you don't need to write to, obviously.
Generally it'll need to be mounted read-only in the guest.

> Using -snapshot will generally ensure the image is not modified, while 
> allowing the guest to write.

I never do that with _valuable_ images because:

   - Valuable images are expensive/difficult/impossible to recreate.
     But too large to copy about casually.

   - I don't have that much faith in QEMU's correctness, having
     already been bitten by a number it's bugs, or in the guest's
     correctness if I were to rely on the guest doing read-only mount
     instead of using -snapshot.

   - It's too easy to accidentally write back the changes over the
     the original image.  Man page:

     "the raw disk image you use is not written back. You can however
     force the write back by pressing C-a s".

And I don't do it when booting a guest where I have _both_ a disk a do
want to write, and another valuable image that I don't want written,
because:

   - How would I use -snapshot and then commit changes to the disk I
     do want to write (either C-a s or "commit" in the monitor), but
     never write changes to the disk I don't want written?

   - "commit" has always been a bit ambiguous when applied to a
     combination of -snapshot and a qcow2 delta image.

Finally, QEMU clearly does support read-only images, so it's always
struck me as odd that the only way to invoke this support is using
"chmod" outside QEMU.  (Actually I use "chattr +i" as well.  That's
how paranoid I am about difficult to recreate images).

-- Jamie

  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-16 15:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-16 12:00 [Qemu-devel] Regression opening read-only cdroms Avi Kivity
2009-06-16 14:33 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-16 14:54   ` Stefano Stabellini
2009-06-16 14:54     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-16 16:28       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-16 17:14         ` Stefano Stabellini
2009-06-16 17:46           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-16 17:54             ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-16 18:56               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-16 19:02                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-16 21:11         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-06-17  6:27           ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-16 15:16   ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-16 15:54     ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2009-06-16 16:17       ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-16 17:51         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-16 17:58           ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-18 12:37   ` Richard W.M. Jones
2009-06-24 20:23     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-24 22:43       ` Richard W.M. Jones
2009-06-25  0:50         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-25  8:17           ` Richard W.M. Jones
2009-06-16 16:28 ` Blue Swirl
2009-06-16 18:37   ` Blue Swirl
2009-06-16 21:16     ` Christoph Hellwig

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