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From: Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
To: "Christian Bornträger" <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
Cc: Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] virtio-serial: A guest <-> host interface for simple communication
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:16:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200906231516.15470.paul@codesourcery.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200906231558.33794.borntraeger@de.ibm.com>

On Tuesday 23 June 2009, Christian Bornträger wrote:
> Am Dienstag 23 Juni 2009 14:55:52 schrieb Paul Brook:
> > > Here are two patches. One implements a virtio-serial device in qemu
> > > and the other is the driver for a guest kernel.
> >
> > So I'll ask again. Why is this separate from virtio-console?
>
> I did some work on virtio-console, since kvm on s390 does not provide any
> other. I dont think we should mix two different types of devices into one
> driver. The only thing that these drivers have in common, is the fact that
> there are two virtqueues, piping data (single bytes or larger chunks). So
> you could make the same argument with the first virtio_net driver (the one
> before GSO) - which is obviously wrong. The common part of the transport is
> already factored out to virtio_ring and the transports.

virtio-net is packet based, not stream based.

> In addition there are two ABIs involved: a userspace ABI (/dev/hvc0) and a
> guest/host ABI for this console. (and virtio was not meant to be a KVM-only
> interface, that we can change all the time). David A. Wheeler's 'SLOCCount'
> gives me 141 lines of code for virtio_console.c. I am quite confident that
> the saving we could achieve by merging these two drivers is not worth the
> hazzle.

AFAICS the functionality provided is exactly the same. The host API is 
identical, and the guest userspace API only has trivial differences (which 
could be eliminated with a simple udev rule). By my reading virtio-serial 
makes virtio-console entirely redundant.

> Discussion about merging the console code into this distracts from the main
> problem: To get the interface and functionality right before it becomes an
> ABI (is it /dev/ttyS, network like or is it something completely
> different?).

Ah, now that's a different question. I don't know what the requirements are 
for the higher level vmchannel interface. However I also don't care.

Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-23 14:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-23 12:42 [Qemu-devel] virtio-serial: A guest <-> host interface for simple communication Amit Shah
2009-06-23 12:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] virtio_serial: A char device for simple guest <-> host communication Amit Shah
2009-06-23 12:42   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] virtio-serial: virtio device for simple host <-> guest communication Amit Shah
2009-06-23 15:19     ` Blue Swirl
2009-06-23 15:15   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] virtio_serial: A char device for simple guest <-> host communication Blue Swirl
2009-06-23 12:55 ` [Qemu-devel] virtio-serial: A guest <-> host interface for simple communication Paul Brook
2009-06-23 13:00   ` Amit Shah
2009-06-23 13:09     ` Paul Brook
2009-06-23 13:58   ` Christian Bornträger
2009-06-23 14:16     ` Paul Brook [this message]
2009-06-23 14:40       ` Christian Bornträger
2009-06-23 14:59   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-06-24  4:15 ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2009-06-24 12:39   ` Amit Shah
2009-06-25 11:33     ` Rusty Russell
2009-06-25 20:49       ` Amit Shah
2009-06-24 16:40 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-06-24 17:10   ` Amit Shah
2009-06-24 17:50     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-24 18:01       ` Amit Shah
2009-06-24 19:20         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-25  4:41           ` Amit Shah

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