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From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
To: Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
Cc: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] monitor: Add port write command
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:12:22 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090715111222.GG28046@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200907151114.21482.paul@codesourcery.com>

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:14:20AM +0100, Paul Brook wrote:
> > > I'd be reluctant to expose the savevm state to the user.
> > >
> > > For debugging qemu I don't see it providing any real benefit over firing
> > > up GDB and poking directly at the device directly.
> >
> > Not all environments where you need to debug things have gdb, qemu
> > sources or even non striped qemu binary.
> 
> If you don't have qemu sources than I really don't care. By definition you're 
I noticed that you don't care, but I do.

> not going to be able to do anything useful even if you do figure out what the 
> problem is.  Note that there's no requirement that you run gdb on the target 
I will be able to fix the bug if I'll figuring out what the problem is,
so I don't see how this is not useful.

> itself. Remote debug (e.g. via gdbserver on linux) is a well established 
> technique.
> 
Client will not allow me near his infrastructure, he is nice enough to
dump device state for me if it's simple.

> Likewise for debugging stripped production binaries, my answer is "don't do 
> that". There are very rare cases where a bug goes away on a debug build, but 
> in those cases any instrumentation you add is also liable to make the bug go 
> away.
> 
Have you sees a real production environment and tried to resolve real
customer bugs? Just asking.

--
			Gleb.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-07-15 11:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-14  8:20 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] monitor: Add port write command Jan Kiszka
2009-07-14 15:06 ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]   ` <m31voj47ht.fsf@neno.mitica>
2009-07-14 15:49     ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-07-14 18:57   ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl
2009-07-14 19:30   ` Paul Brook
2009-07-14 20:03     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-14 20:37       ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2009-07-15  7:34     ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2009-07-15 10:14       ` Paul Brook
2009-07-15 10:40         ` Jan Kiszka
2009-07-15 11:14           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-07-15 11:12         ` Gleb Natapov [this message]
2009-07-15 12:36         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-15 14:38           ` Paul Brook

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