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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Mark McLoughlin <markmc@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/16] Add a -netdev option
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:26:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091010192635.GA14275@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4ACF5612.7030400@codemonkey.ws>

On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 10:26:10AM -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> Mark McLoughlin wrote:
>> Hi,
>>         Here's a series of patches which gets the ball rolling on adding
>> a -netdev option.
>>
>>         The idea is to de-emphasise the vlan support, and instead make
>> a nic directly connected to a host backend the default and recommended
>> configuration. We want this because it is only with this configuration
>> that we feasibly add optimizations like GSO support or vhost-net.
>>   
>
> I think this series is a good first step.  I've looked through the  
> patches and they all look pretty good.  I plan on pushing after some  
> testing assuming noone objects in the interim.
>
> With respect to moving forward, I wanted to bring up a couple of topics.
>
> To eliminate VLANs, I think the reasonable approach is to implemented an  
> emulated hub.  I'd suggest treating the hub like a device.  Instantiate  
> it through qdev, support it via -device, etc.  I think it would even be  
> reasonable to have it support a fixed number of ports.  I doubt there  
> would be any compatibility issues emulating a 32-bit port hub, for 
> instance.
>
> The current syntax would become just a convenient short cut for the  
> -netdev syntax along with creating a hub device for each vlan that gets  
> instantiated.
>
> I think merging vhost_net support will depend on finishing out the  
> netdev work.

More importantly, we need interrupt injection from kvm merged.
We can have userspace poll vhost net and inject the interrupt,
but I think this defeats the purpose of the in-kernel backend.

> Logically, I think vhost_net is a netdev backend and we  
> extend the netdev API to support async submission of packets (basically  
> mirroring the virtio-net ABI).  In the case of a virtio-net front-end to  
> a vhost_net backend, I think we special case that assuming we're running  
> kvm.
>
> Regards,
>
> Anthony Liguori

  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-10 19:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-08 18:58 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/16] Add a -netdev option Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-08 18:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/16] slirp: fix !CONFIG_SLIRP compilation Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-08 18:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/16] hotplug: safely iterate bus's sibling list while removing a device Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-12 13:16   ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2009-10-12 13:22     ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-08 18:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/16] net: pass monitor handle to client init functions Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-08 18:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/16] net: remove unused qemu_handler_true() Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-08 18:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/16] net: handle id= parameter for -net Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-08 18:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/16] net: remove id field from NICInfo Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-08 18:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/16] net: use qtailq for vlan and client lists Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-08 18:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/16] net: allow clients not associated with a vlan Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-08 18:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/16] net: add QemuOptsList arg to net_client_parse() Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-08 18:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/16] net: add -netdev option Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-08 18:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/16] net: handle -netdevice options Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-08 18:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/16] net: maintain a list of vlan-less clients Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-08 18:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/16] net: add -net nic,netdev= option Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-08 18:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 14/16] net: allow NICs to be connected to netdevs Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-08 18:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/16] net: refactor packet queueing code Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-08 18:58 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 16/16] net: add queue for peer-to-peer packet forwarding Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-08 20:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/16] Add a -netdev option Stefan Weil
2009-10-08 21:37   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-09  6:23     ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2009-10-09 17:33       ` Stefan Weil
2009-10-09  7:09   ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-09  8:41     ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2009-10-09 15:26 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-10 19:26   ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2009-11-10 15:44 ` Paul Brook
2009-11-10 15:45   ` Mark McLoughlin

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