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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	kvm-devel <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>,
	Jens Osterkamp <jens@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Release plan for 0.12.0
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:19:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091014151917.GB17062@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091014142453.GA29798@redhat.com>

Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 09:17:15AM -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> > Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> >> Looks like Or has abandoned it.  I have an updated version which works
> >> with new APIs, etc.  Let me post it and we'll go from there.
> >>
> >>   
> >>> I'm generally inclined to oppose the functionality as I don't think 
> >>> it  offers any advantages over the existing backends.
> >>>     
> >>
> >> I patch it in and use it all the time.  It's much easier to setup
> >> on a random machine than a bridged config.
> >>   
> >
> > Having two things that do the same thing is just going to lead to user  
> > confusion.
> 
> They do not do the same thing. With raw socket you can use windows
> update without a bridge in the host, with tap you can't.

On the other hand, with raw socket, guest Windows can't access files
on the host's Samba share can it?  So it's not that useful even for
Windows guests.

> > If the problem is tap is too hard to setup, we should try to  
> > simplify tap configuration.
> 
> The problem is bridge is too hard to setup.
> Simplifying that is a good idea, but outside the scope
> of the qemu project.

I venture it's important enough for qemu that it's worth working on
that.  Something that looks like the raw socket but behaves like an
automatically instantiated bridge attached to the bound interface
would be a useful interface.

I don't have much time, but I'll help anybody who wants to do that.

-- Jamie

  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-14 15:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-29 23:54 [Qemu-devel] Release plan for 0.12.0 Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30  0:20 ` [Qemu-devel] " Dustin Kirkland
2009-09-30  2:18   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30  2:28 ` [Qemu-devel] " Isaku Yamahata
2009-09-30 13:03   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 13:43     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-30  5:17 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-09-30 13:04   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 13:37     ` Amit Shah
2009-09-30 14:47       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 14:50         ` Amit Shah
2009-09-30  6:41 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-09-30 13:05   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-01 21:13     ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-03 10:04       ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-05 12:43         ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-05 13:52           ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-30 13:31   ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-09-30  8:53 ` Michael Tokarev
2009-09-30  9:01   ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-30  9:31 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-09-30 13:07   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 15:59     ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-09-30 19:25       ` Blue Swirl
2009-09-30 13:30 ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-09-30 14:45   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 15:03     ` Fred Leeflang
2009-09-30 15:26       ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-09-30 19:28     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-10-01  1:55 ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-01  8:07   ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-01 21:02     ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02  4:38     ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-02  5:37       ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 22:33         ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-01 12:45   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-01 21:10     ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-01 21:23       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-02  0:41         ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 13:29           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-02 16:58             ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 18:45               ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-02 18:53                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-02 21:39                   ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-02 22:28                     ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 23:05                       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-03  0:32                         ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 17:30                           ` [coreboot] " Peter Stuge
2009-10-03 21:49                             ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 21:58                               ` Patrick Georgi
2009-10-04 19:31                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-04 19:39                                   ` Stefan Reinauer
2009-10-05 13:03                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-05 13:23                                       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-05 13:51                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-05 14:43                                           ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-04 19:49                                   ` Patrick Georgi
2009-10-05 13:07                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-03 22:02                               ` Stefan Reinauer
2009-10-03 22:40                                 ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 23:03                                   ` Stefan Reinauer
2009-10-03 23:52                                     ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 15:08                     ` Gleb Natapov
2009-10-03 17:32                       ` [coreboot] " Peter Stuge
2009-10-03 17:40                         ` ron minnich
2009-10-03 18:16                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-10-03 18:30                             ` Peter Stuge
2009-10-03 19:09                               ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-10-03 19:09                               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-10-03 22:13                           ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 22:19                             ` Patrick Georgi
2009-10-03 23:04                               ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-04 19:35                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-04  4:10                               ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-04 11:16                                 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-04 16:06                                   ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-05  0:29                                     ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-03 22:46                             ` Stefan Reinauer
     [not found]                             ` <CB4CCBB6-0EE4-4883-AA4D-2151189C7977@claunia.com>
     [not found]                               ` <2a50f7880910031701s52c901d8u2dfb956f595eeedf@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-04  3:55                                 ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-05 14:08                                   ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-10-02 20:57                 ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 21:37                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-02 22:19                   ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-02  4:55       ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-01 20:50   ` Stuart Brady
2009-10-02  4:51     ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-02 19:07       ` Stuart Brady
2009-10-02 20:21         ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-01 18:45 ` Stefan Weil
2009-10-01 19:02   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-01 19:18     ` Stefan Weil
2009-10-03  4:28 ` TAKEDA, toshiya
2009-10-08 13:55 ` Jens Osterkamp
2009-10-08 14:21   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-14 13:09     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-14 13:53       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-14 14:01         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 14:04       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 13:21     ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 14:17       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-14 14:24         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 15:19           ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2009-10-14 15:50             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 21:10               ` Sridhar Samudrala
2009-10-14 22:53                 ` Raw vs. tap (was: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Release plan for 0.12.0) Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15  6:36                   ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-15  7:56                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15 13:32                     ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Raw vs. tap Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 15:04                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15 15:18                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 15:48                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15 18:37                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 22:08                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-18 10:05                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15  7:51                 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Release plan for 0.12.0 Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-20  6:33 ` Takahiro Hirofuchi

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