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From: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Mark McLoughlin <markmc@redhat.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arndbergmann@googlemail.com>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	Dustin Kirkland <kirkland@canonical.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Michael Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] net-bridge: rootless bridge support for qemu
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:11:54 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091105151154.GF689@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4AF2E7CE.8010506@us.ibm.com>

On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 08:57:18AM -0600, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> Avi Kivity wrote:
> >>At least with KVM support, this is probably the most common use case 
> >>which means
> >>that most of our users are running qemu as root.  That's terrible.
> >>   
> >
> >Most of our users run managed systems.
> 
> I consider management software as a user.  Today, most management 
> software launches qemu as root.  libvirt is just getting around to 
> fixing this although they still are running it as a single user instead 
> of as the user requesting the vm be launched.

We have two modes of operating in libvirt.

 - The 'system' instance. The libvirtd daemon runs privileged in order
   to allow full management of all host services including network
   and storage. The QEMU vms run under a 'qemu' user.  This is intended
   for server virtualization use cases.

 - The 'session' instance. The libvirtd daemon runs unprivileged as the
   user account accessing it. The QEMU vms run under the users own
   account too. This is intended for desktop virtualization use cases.

The main problem is that we've never really used the 'session' instances,
since networking configs are rather limited to pretty much just SLIRP 
and people expect full bridging.  I think this patch series you've
done is invaluable and will let us finally make full use of the libvirt
'session' instances for desktop virt, running everything unprivileged.


Daniel
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-11-05 15:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-04  0:28 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] net-bridge: rootless bridge support for qemu Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04  0:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/4] Add basic version of bridge helper Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04  0:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/4] Add access control support to qemu-bridge-helper Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 13:38   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/4] Add access control support toqemu-bridge-helper Krumme, Chris
2009-11-04 14:23     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 14:37       ` Krumme, Chris
2009-11-05 15:06   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/4] Add access control support to qemu-bridge-helper Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-04  0:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/4] Add cap reduction support to enable use as SUID binary Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04  0:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/4] Add support for -net bridge Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 13:49   ` Krumme, Chris
2009-11-04 14:23     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 14:41   ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 14:45     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 14:49       ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-06  2:29       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-07 17:29   ` David Woodhouse
2009-11-07 22:11     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-08  8:27       ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-08  8:43         ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-08  8:55           ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-09 14:20         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-09 15:39           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-09 15:43             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-09 19:19               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-10 12:23           ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-04 12:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] net-bridge: rootless bridge support for qemu Alexander Graf
2009-11-04 14:42   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 15:02     ` Alexander Graf
2009-11-04 16:02       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 17:04 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-04 19:48   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 20:04     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-04 20:44       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05  8:17         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-05 13:05           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 22:40 ` Dustin Kirkland
2009-11-05  0:52   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05  2:12     ` Dustin Kirkland
2009-11-05  4:12 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05  8:21   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-06  2:03     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-06 11:58       ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-06 20:26         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-08 11:55           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-05 13:11   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 14:33 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 14:36   ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 14:46     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-05 14:53       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:41         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 16:51           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-06  1:53             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 14:50     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 15:05       ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 15:50         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:02           ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 16:19             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:28               ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 16:37               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 16:45                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 17:20                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-05 17:42                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 18:02                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-05 19:54                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 18:14                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 18:11                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 19:58                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-06  1:48                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-06  7:22                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-06 10:54                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-06 12:42                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-07  3:44                               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-06 14:19                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-07  9:14                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-07  9:43                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-07 14:07                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-07 21:50                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-07 22:12                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-08  8:11                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-07 14:04                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-06  0:29                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-06  7:26                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-06 16:09                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-07  9:27                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-07 10:44                               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-07 11:23                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-09 19:35                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-10 12:25                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-10 13:33                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-07 13:59                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:29         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 14:57   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 15:11     ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 15:33       ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 15:58         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:07           ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-06  2:19             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 16:06       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:15         ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 16:25           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:33             ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 16:50               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 17:16                 ` Scott Tsai
2009-11-05 18:19                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-06  2:16                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 18:19                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-06  2:17                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 15:11     ` Daniel P. Berrange [this message]
2009-11-05 15:14       ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 15:20         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-05 15:59         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:20           ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 16:28             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:35               ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 16:53                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-05 17:03                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 17:16                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-06  2:08                       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 17:26                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-05 19:54                       ` Gerhard Stenzel
2009-11-06  2:11             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 15:00 ` [Qemu-devel] " Mark McLoughlin
2009-11-05 15:14   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-05 15:28     ` Dustin Kirkland
2009-11-05 15:06 ` Arnd Bergmann

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