From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: Re: Re: Live migration protocol, device features, ABIs and other beasts
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:49:10 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091124134910.GH2405@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200911241335.35334.paul@codesourcery.com>
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 01:35:35PM +0000, Paul Brook wrote:
> > But it's easy to support migration to old qemu just
> > by discarding the INTx state, and this is not
> > at all harder, or worse, than migrating from old qemu
> > to new one.
>
> Do we really care about migrating to older versions?
>
> Migrating to a new version (backward compatibility) I see the use, it allows
> people to do upgrades with minimal downtime. I have my reservations about how
> feasible this is long-term, but within a release series it's not too bad.
>
> However is migrating to an old version (forward compatibility) really a
> worthwhile thing to support?
migrating to old version does not have to require forward compatibility IMO.
wikipedia says
"Forward compatibility or upward compatibility (sometimes confused with
extensibility) is the ability of a system to gracefully accept input
intended for later versions of itself. "
Supporting an explicit option to migrate to old versions would be enough.
> It sounds like the sort of thing that we're never
> really going to test properly, so will probably fail a good proportion of the
> time anyway.
Why is it harder to test than old->new migration?
If you have a migration test, just run it both ways.
> Reading in old state files is a whole lot easier (to write
> maintain, and stay sane) than producing state that is bug-compatible with
> previous versions.
It seems to me that old->new and new->old migrations are
of about the same level of difficulty.
Supporting one of these but not the other is of course
easier than supporting both, but I don't see where
"a whole lot" comes from.
> This feels something where the best answer all round is "Don't do that".
>
> Paul
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-11-24 13:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-11-22 15:03 [Qemu-devel] Live migration protocol, device features, ABIs and other beasts Dor Laor
2009-11-22 15:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-22 20:22 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 2:17 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 8:18 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 13:04 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 8:26 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 9:29 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 9:31 ` Gleb Natapov
[not found] ` <m3einp4e7c.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 12:37 ` Gleb Natapov
[not found] ` <m3iqd14edf.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 12:36 ` Gleb Natapov
[not found] ` <m3r5rpwcww.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 14:32 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 14:51 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 14:53 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 15:05 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 15:22 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 15:30 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 15:32 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 15:49 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 16:09 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 16:15 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 16:19 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <m33a45s009.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 16:05 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 16:10 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 13:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-23 13:01 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <m3vdh1wd0n.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 14:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 15:21 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 16:16 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 17:08 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 18:28 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 19:24 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 19:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 21:21 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-24 11:00 ` Dor Laor
[not found] ` <m3y6lxqkpv.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 16:44 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <m3zl6db11z.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 18:44 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 20:24 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-24 13:39 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-23 13:51 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 14:21 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 15:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 15:37 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 15:02 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 15:12 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 14:26 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-23 14:53 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 14:28 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 14:33 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 16:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
[not found] ` <m3skc2r66t.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-25 16:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 13:17 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 13:35 ` Paul Brook
2009-11-24 13:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2009-11-24 13:59 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paul Brook
2009-11-24 14:21 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 17:06 ` Blue Swirl
2009-11-24 17:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 17:43 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-24 18:51 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 18:56 ` Blue Swirl
2009-11-24 19:24 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 18:57 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-24 19:29 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 20:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
[not found] ` <m3my2ct2qe.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-24 17:41 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-24 13:21 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 13:45 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 13:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-23 12:15 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-23 13:09 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 14:13 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-24 14:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 14:20 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-24 14:35 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 13:42 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 13:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 14:10 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 14:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 14:52 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-26 18:03 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-11-25 13:36 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 13:40 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 13:59 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 14:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 14:53 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-25 15:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 10:39 ` Dor Laor
2009-11-24 14:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 14:21 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-24 14:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 16:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 9:30 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-25 9:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 13:36 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-24 13:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
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