From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: Re: Live migration protocol, device features, ABIs and other beasts
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:28:11 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091124142811.GP2405@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B0AA202.2050001@codemonkey.ws>
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 08:53:54AM -0600, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> Eduardo Habkost wrote:
>>>>> Migration needs to be conservative. There should be only two possible
>>>>> outcomes: 1) a successful live migration or 2) graceful failure with the
>>>>> source VM still running correctly. Silently ignoring things that could
>>>>> affect the guests behavior means that it's possible that after failure,
>>>>> the guest will fail in an unexpected way.
>>>>>
>>>> It's up to the source to decide what information is extra. For
>>>> example, the state of a RNG emulation is nice-to-have, but as long
>>>> as it is initialized from another random source on the destination
>>>> you shouldn't care.
>>>>
>>> We only migrate things that are guest visible. Everything else is
>>> left to the user to configure. We wouldn't migrate the state of a
>>> RNG emulation provided that it doesn't have an impact on the guest.
>>>
>>> By definition, anything that is guest visible is important because it
>>> affects the guest's behavior.
>>>
>>
>> Right, but I wouldn't be surprised if a user complains that "I know that
>> my guest don't use that VM feature, so I want to be able to migrate to
>> an older version anyway".
>>
>
> This could be addressed with a "force" migration feature. That said, I
> don't believe that the overwhelming majority of users are in a position
> to determine whether they can safely migrate to an older version.
>
> Regards,
>
> Anthony Liguori
It's very easy: if their guest runs fine on the old qemu,
it should be safe to migrate there.
--
MST
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-11-24 14:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-11-22 15:03 [Qemu-devel] Live migration protocol, device features, ABIs and other beasts Dor Laor
2009-11-22 15:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-22 20:22 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 2:17 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 8:18 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 13:04 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 8:26 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 9:29 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 9:31 ` Gleb Natapov
[not found] ` <m3einp4e7c.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 12:37 ` Gleb Natapov
[not found] ` <m3iqd14edf.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 12:36 ` Gleb Natapov
[not found] ` <m3r5rpwcww.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 14:32 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 14:51 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 14:53 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 15:05 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 15:22 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 15:30 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 15:32 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 15:49 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 16:09 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 16:15 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 16:19 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <m33a45s009.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 16:05 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 16:10 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 13:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-23 13:01 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <m3vdh1wd0n.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 14:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 15:21 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 16:16 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 17:08 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 18:28 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 19:24 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 19:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 21:21 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-24 11:00 ` Dor Laor
[not found] ` <m3y6lxqkpv.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 16:44 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <m3zl6db11z.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 18:44 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 20:24 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-24 13:39 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-23 13:51 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 14:21 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 15:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 15:37 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 15:02 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 15:12 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 14:26 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-23 14:53 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 14:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2009-11-24 14:33 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 16:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
[not found] ` <m3skc2r66t.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-25 16:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 13:17 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 13:35 ` Paul Brook
2009-11-24 13:49 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 13:59 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paul Brook
2009-11-24 14:21 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 17:06 ` Blue Swirl
2009-11-24 17:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 17:43 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-24 18:51 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 18:56 ` Blue Swirl
2009-11-24 19:24 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 18:57 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-24 19:29 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 20:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
[not found] ` <m3my2ct2qe.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-24 17:41 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-24 13:21 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 13:45 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 13:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-23 12:15 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-23 13:09 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 14:13 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-24 14:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 14:20 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-24 14:35 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 13:42 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 13:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 14:10 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 14:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 14:52 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-26 18:03 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-11-25 13:36 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 13:40 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 13:59 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 14:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 14:53 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-25 15:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 10:39 ` Dor Laor
2009-11-24 14:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 14:21 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-24 14:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 16:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 9:30 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-25 9:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 13:36 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-24 13:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
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