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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Live migration protocol, device features, ABIs and other beasts
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:01:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091124200141.GB4290@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B0C3405.7030207@codemonkey.ws>

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 01:29:09PM -0600, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>> On 11/24/2009 07:51 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>>> to make the primary representation of state an XML document
>>
>> Since my brain is not working well today, I'll just point out that of  
>> course I meant "the primary representation of _schemas_ an XML  
>> document" or anything like that.
>>
>>>> or  anything like that (and convert it back to VMState structs at build
>>>> time), it would not be a huge work, and it would give important  
>>>> benefits.
>>>
>>> Like adding tremendous complexity for little to no gain.
>>
>> Anything that could result in a libqemustate or something like that  
>> would be complex, but would have gain.  (Yes, I've seen the smiley  
>> despite aforementioned problems with the brain).
>
> Which would be...?
>
> "Increased flexibility" is not a quantifiable gain.  If there's a  
> particular feature we need to support, let's try to support the feature.
>
> There are bigger fish to fry with live migration than the protocol  
> format.  For instance, we need to do a fair bit of work to build an  
> infrastructure that will let us test this stuff in a sane way so we can  
> avoid introducing things like the pvclock regression.

BTW, I think that the ability to save in old format will
help in this respect: it makes it possible to do some unit
testing without having old qemu lying around.

-- 
MST

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-24 20:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-22 15:03 [Qemu-devel] Live migration protocol, device features, ABIs and other beasts Dor Laor
2009-11-22 15:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-22 20:22   ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23  2:17     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23  8:18       ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 13:04         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23  8:26       ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23  9:29         ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23  9:31           ` Gleb Natapov
     [not found]             ` <m3einp4e7c.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 12:37               ` Gleb Natapov
     [not found]         ` <m3iqd14edf.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 12:36           ` Gleb Natapov
     [not found]             ` <m3r5rpwcww.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 14:32               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 14:51                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 14:53                   ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 15:05                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 15:22                       ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 15:30                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 15:32                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 15:49                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 16:09                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 16:15                               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 16:19                                 ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                   ` <m33a45s009.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 16:05                     ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 16:10                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 13:28             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-23 13:01           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]             ` <m3vdh1wd0n.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 14:49               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 15:21                 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 16:16                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 17:08                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 18:28                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 19:24                         ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 19:49                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 21:21                             ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-24 11:00                         ` Dor Laor
     [not found]                 ` <m3y6lxqkpv.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 16:44                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                     ` <m3zl6db11z.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 18:44                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 20:24                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-24 13:39                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-23 13:51       ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 14:21         ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 15:00           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 15:37             ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 15:02           ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 15:12             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 14:26               ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-23 14:53         ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 14:28           ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 14:33             ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 16:05               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]                 ` <m3skc2r66t.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-25 16:28                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 13:17       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 13:35         ` Paul Brook
2009-11-24 13:49           ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 13:59             ` [Qemu-devel] " Paul Brook
2009-11-24 14:21               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 17:06                 ` Blue Swirl
2009-11-24 17:08                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 17:43                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-24 18:51                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 18:56                         ` Blue Swirl
2009-11-24 19:24                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 18:57                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-24 19:29                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 20:01                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
     [not found]             ` <m3my2ct2qe.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-24 17:41               ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-24 13:21   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 13:45     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 13:55       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-23 12:15 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-23 13:09   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 14:13     ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-24 14:05       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 14:20         ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-24 14:35           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 13:42             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 13:42               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 14:10                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 14:09                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 14:52                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-26 18:03                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-11-25 13:36         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 13:40           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 13:59             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 14:03               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 14:53                 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-25 15:01                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 10:39   ` Dor Laor
2009-11-24 14:01     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 14:21       ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-24 14:38         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 16:05         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25  9:30           ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-25  9:32             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 13:36               ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-24 13:59   ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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