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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Cc: Kevin O'Connor <kevin@koconnor.net>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Sebastian Herbszt <herbszt@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: POST failure (loop) with isapc and seabios
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:09:51 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091125060951.GA17203@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091124144044.GJ2999@redhat.com>

Gleb Natapov wrote:
> > But QEMU is used to run old OSes too.
> > 
> That's OK. I don't expect BIOS to be reloaded if OS restart by jumping
> to BIOS reset code.

That's good then.

What about DOS and DOS-extender programs which do a soft reset by
triple-faulting the CPU (see Sebastian's notes on i440FX behaviour),
and asking the keyboard controller?

Both of those methods are used by DOS and DOS-extender programs to
switch from protected mode to real mode.  Keyboard controller was used
originally, but then someone figured out that triple fault can be used
(on most PCs) and is faster.

The switch to real mode is done by writing somewhere the BIOS checks,
so the BIOS just branches back to the application.

I think that may imply it has to be a "soft reset" as described by
Sebastian in the i440FX description, and I would think the BIOS must
not be reloaded.

But the BIOS must be reloaded from ROM, I'm guessing, if the keyboard
controller method is used and the word asking for a branch back to the
application has not been set.  Because that's how a modern OS (if not
using ACPI) asks for a system reset.

Do you think the above is (a) correct, and (b) what's implemented?

Thanks,
-- Jamie

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-25  6:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-19 21:30 [Qemu-devel] POST failure (loop) with isapc and seabios Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-20 22:51 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-21 14:37   ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-22 12:35   ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-22 15:07     ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-22 15:10       ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-22 15:31         ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-22 15:38           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-22 17:40             ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-22 21:15               ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-22 22:04               ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-23 11:14                 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 11:17               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-22 20:01             ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-23 11:11               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 19:19                 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-23 19:43                   ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 21:30                     ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-24  6:28                       ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-24 14:38                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-24 14:40                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-25  6:09                             ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2009-11-25 12:20                               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-25 15:31                                 ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-25 16:42                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-25 22:11                                   ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-27  3:00                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-27 19:13                                       ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-25 22:04                                 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-25 22:53                                   ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-26  6:49                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-26  7:15                                       ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-26  7:20                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-26  7:48                                           ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-26  7:56                                             ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-26  8:12                                               ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-26  8:19                                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-26 16:03                                                   ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-26 22:35                                     ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-27  5:39                                       ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-26  6:45                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-26 20:55                                     ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-27  7:44                                       ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-27 20:42                                         ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-29  8:20                                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-29 22:53                                             ` Natalia Portillo
2009-11-30  7:12                                               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-30 20:53                                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-30 21:02                                                   ` Natalia Portillo
2009-12-01  2:16                                                   ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-30 20:34                                             ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-01  9:37                                               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-25 21:08                               ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-24 23:27                         ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-25 10:48                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-22 15:38         ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-23 11:16           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 17:57             ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-23 18:07               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 19:12                 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-23 19:18                   ` Gleb Natapov

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