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From: Kevin O'Connor <kevin@koconnor.net>
To: Sebastian Herbszt <herbszt@gmx.de>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: POST failure (loop) with isapc and seabios
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:39:54 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091127053954.GA19207@morn.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3D742E4D630E4B6C9F4BF3EDD0B7C22E@FSCPC>

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:35:52PM +0100, Sebastian Herbszt wrote:
> Maybe the expansion rom bar can be used for pci devices like on real
> hardware. The bios will check it and load the rom itself instead of
> relying on qemu to do the job.

SeaBIOS can pull roms from pci space today.  Long term, I would prefer
to see qemu use this.

> If a soft reset is requested with the goal of a transition from
> protected to real mode and the bios is reloaded, it should not do
> any harm because the internal device states are kept and the cmos
> still has the correct shutdown status code for the transition.

SeaBIOS stores internal state in the f-segment - it wont function
properly if that state is cleared.  (For example, disk read requests
will fail, e820 requests will fail, etc.)

>Bochs
> bios doesn't rely on shadowing so none of its internal state is lost
> either, but the created tables (smbios, mp table, etc.) will be
> gone.

Clearing the tables is also broken (though less likely to be noticed).
In a nutshell, qemu can't reset the f-segment and expect a resume
operation to work.  As Gleb pointed out though, it seems this use case
is more theoretical than practical, so worrying about this may not be
productive.

-Kevin

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-27  5:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-19 21:30 [Qemu-devel] POST failure (loop) with isapc and seabios Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-20 22:51 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-21 14:37   ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-22 12:35   ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-22 15:07     ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-22 15:10       ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-22 15:31         ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-22 15:38           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-22 17:40             ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-22 21:15               ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-22 22:04               ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-23 11:14                 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 11:17               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-22 20:01             ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-23 11:11               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 19:19                 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-23 19:43                   ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 21:30                     ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-24  6:28                       ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-24 14:38                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-24 14:40                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-25  6:09                             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-25 12:20                               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-25 15:31                                 ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-25 16:42                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-25 22:11                                   ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-27  3:00                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-27 19:13                                       ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-25 22:04                                 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-25 22:53                                   ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-26  6:49                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-26  7:15                                       ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-26  7:20                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-26  7:48                                           ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-26  7:56                                             ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-26  8:12                                               ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-26  8:19                                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-26 16:03                                                   ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-26 22:35                                     ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-27  5:39                                       ` Kevin O'Connor [this message]
2009-11-26  6:45                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-26 20:55                                     ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-27  7:44                                       ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-27 20:42                                         ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-29  8:20                                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-29 22:53                                             ` Natalia Portillo
2009-11-30  7:12                                               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-30 20:53                                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-30 21:02                                                   ` Natalia Portillo
2009-12-01  2:16                                                   ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-30 20:34                                             ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-01  9:37                                               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-25 21:08                               ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-24 23:27                         ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-25 10:48                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-22 15:38         ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-23 11:16           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 17:57             ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-23 18:07               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 19:12                 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-23 19:18                   ` Gleb Natapov

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