From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NJTum-0006Z1-Tx for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:29:48 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NJTuh-0006RU-EV for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:29:47 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49462 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NJTuh-0006R7-AE for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:29:43 -0500 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:25685) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NJTug-000533-Ue for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:29:43 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:29:31 +0200 From: Izik Eidus Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] X support for QXL and SPICE Message-ID: <20091212172931.7d7b7966@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: <4B23B32F.50402@codemonkey.ws> References: <1393046876.1549021260539141025.JavaMail.root@zmail05.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> <4B226BFC.1040606@codemonkey.ws> <20091211204828.464707cf@redhat.com> <4B2297A2.8040102@codemonkey.ws> <20091211212135.645864f9@redhat.com> <4B229DCE.7070500@codemonkey.ws> <20091211213911.0dce90dc@redhat.com> <4B22A2D9.6020602@codemonkey.ws> <20091211222101.5e924d20@redhat.com> <4B22AFBF.6080709@codemonkey.ws> <20091211231334.3d8a599f@redhat.com> <8BF07900-1F21-4E1C-AFC7-FF9CC47525A3@suse.de> <20091212004635.0b57a8c0@redhat.com> <4B230E96.3060708@codemonkey.ws> <20091212055249.19fd7c9e@redhat.com> <4B23B32F.50402@codemonkey.ws> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Id: qemu-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Anthony Liguori Cc: Yaniv Kamay , qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Soeren Sandmann , Alexander Graf On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:13:51 -0600 Anthony Liguori wrote: > Izik Eidus wrote: > > On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:31:34 -0600 > > Anthony Liguori wrote: > > > >> Okay, that's in line with what my expectations were. So what's > >> the future of Spice for X? Anything clever or is Windows the only > >> target right now? > >> > > > > Offscreen pixmaps, Xrender, opengl 3d commands, Video extention. > > > > I dont understand what you want here? > > > > To understand what makes Spice special. Spice is interesting beacuse unlike the great VNC protocol it already have what it take to make VDI possible to the user. If you think all the above features are pointless and if you think that Windows graphic systems (90% of the world wide desktops users) is not important, I really dont know what to tell you. It is easy to say about everything "We can implment it in VNC..." yes. and I can write my own new operation system and tell everyone "Haa, right now i dont have it, but it is easy to implement"... It is naive to think that software is all about features..., In this case Linux / Freebsd are the same thing..., ohh wait they are diffrent no?. Wait, I think Google, Yahoo and Bing, does`nt they all have the same features????, How come ppl still prefer to use Google in that case? VNC is much older than spice, but still why it didnt get all this SPICE protocol goodies? why? (I mean it is so easy to add this into VNC...) > > > Spice is not responsible for how X work the fact that X doesnt have > > many things that windows have - doesnt mean it is bad spice DOES > > have them... > > > > Don't confuse trying to understand Spice with attempts to poke holes > or criticize Spice. There is very little information about what > makes Spice interesting. There is a complete protocol paper that expline the whole protocol, There is me answering you to any question that you ask, There is the whole source open, what more do you need? > > Regards, > > Anthony Liguori >