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From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
To: Kevin O'Connor <kevin@koconnor.net>
Cc: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [SeaBIOS] [PATCH 0/8] option rom loading overhaul.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:32:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091221073204.GS4490@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091221015948.GA23556@morn.localdomain>

On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 08:59:48PM -0500, Kevin O'Connor wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 11:48:20AM -0600, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> > I think we have two ways to view firmware.  The first would be to treat  
> > guest firmware as part of the guest.  What that means it that we should  
> > store all firmware in an nvram file, migrate the nvram file during  
> > migration
> [...]
> > The other option would be to treat guest firmware as part of the machine  
> > state.
> 
> How about mixing the two?  Store the firmware in an nvram file and
> migrate it during migration, but clear the nvram and reload the
> firmware on each start-up and qemu reset.
> 
That's precisely what I propose.

> [...]
> >The second mechanism is  
> > appealing from an ease of use perspective but the semantics of doing a  
> > live migration and getting a different firmware after reset/shutdown is  
> > rather scary from a support perspective.
> 
> I'm not sure I see the problem with upgrading firmware on a reboot.  I
> think it would be a pretty severe bug if a new firmware broke the OS
> or if an OS was heavily dependent on a specific firmware across
> reboots.  After all, normal users update their bios and reboot into
> pre-existing OSs all the time.
> 
Exactly.

--
			Gleb.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-21  7:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-18 11:01 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/8] option rom loading overhaul Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-18 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/8] Support PCI based option rom loading Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-19 10:57   ` Blue Swirl
2009-12-20 15:34     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 17:02       ` Blue Swirl
2009-12-20 17:18         ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-20 17:55           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 18:01             ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-20 18:24               ` Andreas Färber
2009-12-20 18:53                 ` Blue Swirl
2009-12-20 21:24                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-12-20 21:23               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-12-18 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/8] pci romfiles: add property, add default to PCIDeviceInfo Gerd Hoffmann
2010-01-11 21:18   ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC] New naming rules for GPXE romfiles Stefan Weil
2010-01-11 21:34     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-12 10:23     ` Kevin Wolf
2009-12-18 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/8] fw_cfg: make calls typesafe Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-18 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/8] fw_cfg: add API for file transfer Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-19 12:06   ` Blue Swirl
2009-12-20  8:42   ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [SeaBIOS] " Gleb Natapov
2009-12-18 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/8] roms: use new fw_cfg file xfer support Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-20  8:45   ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [SeaBIOS] " Gleb Natapov
2009-12-18 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 6/8] roms: remove option rom packing logic Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-18 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 7/8] updated seabios binary for testing convinience Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-18 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 8/8] debug: enable bios messages Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-18 14:35 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [SeaBIOS] [PATCH 0/8] option rom loading overhaul Anthony Liguori
2009-12-18 16:34   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-18 16:42     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-18 17:03       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-18 17:12         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-19  1:48           ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-12-19  3:07             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-18 17:14         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-18 18:04           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-18 19:41         ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-18 19:53           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-18 20:10             ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-20  8:38 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 14:43   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 14:52     ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 14:58       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 15:07         ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 15:11           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 15:20             ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-20 15:31               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 15:35                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 13:04               ` Paul Brook
2009-12-22 13:09                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 15:11                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-22 15:54                   ` Paul Brook
2009-12-22 16:16                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 15:23             ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 15:28               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 15:33                 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 15:39                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 15:52                     ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 16:08                       ` Blue Swirl
2009-12-20 16:15                         ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 16:23                           ` Blue Swirl
2009-12-20 17:48                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-21  1:59                         ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-12-21  7:32                           ` Gleb Natapov [this message]
2009-12-21 16:40                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-21 16:43                               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 17:26                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-21 17:43                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 18:24                                     ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Re: [SeaBIOS] [PATCH 0/8] option rom loadingoverhaul Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-21 18:36                                       ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 19:28                                         ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-21 19:57                                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 19:17                                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-12-21 19:39                                         ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-21 19:53                                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 20:16                                             ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-22  7:58                                               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-22 14:57                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-21 19:48                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 19:13                                     ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [SeaBIOS] [PATCH 0/8] option rom loading overhaul Anthony Liguori
2009-12-21 19:43                                       ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 23:54                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-22 20:50                                           ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Re: [SeaBIOS] [PATCH 0/8] option rom loadingoverhaul Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-21  7:40                         ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [SeaBIOS] [PATCH 0/8] option rom loading overhaul Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 17:27                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-12  4:48                   ` Jamie Lokier

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