From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Kevin O'Connor <kevin@koconnor.net>,
Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [SeaBIOS] [PATCH 0/8] option rom loading overhaul.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:43:12 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091221174312.GD21163@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B2FAFB4.8050102@codemonkey.ws>
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:26:12AM -0600, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> On 12/21/2009 10:43 AM, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> >>There are some really ugly corner cases here. For instance, guest
> >>is running and the user does a yum update which upgrades the qemu
> >>package. This includes laying down a new bios.
> >>
> >>User eventually restarts guest, now we re-read BIOS and we're on a
> >>newer BIOS than the device model. Badness ensues.
> >>
> >My package manager warns me that certain application need to be
> >restarted to work correctly after upgrade. This is hardly qemu specific
> >problem.
>
> But again, I don't see when this is ever a feature that a user
> actually wants. Unless you change restart to fork/exec+exit, you'll
> never have reset equivalent to power off + startup. Can you
> advocate rereading roms and not advocate re-execing qemu?
Why I will never have reset equivalent to power off + startup? Are you
saying we are not capable of implementing spec correctly?
> >>And more importantly, what is the end-user benefit of doing this?
> >>
> >Working migration?
>
> How does it fix migration? Migration needs to transfer the current
> roms in order to work. A new version of qemu must support
> interacting with the old version of the firmware for migration to
> work. What happens after reset has nothing to do with migration but
> because of the last requirement, the guest will obviously continue
> to work after reboot too.
I don't agree with your last requirement. Firmware goes hand in hand with
HW. Change that is only FW visible should not be backwards compatible.
--
Gleb.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-12-21 17:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-12-18 11:01 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/8] option rom loading overhaul Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-18 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/8] Support PCI based option rom loading Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-19 10:57 ` Blue Swirl
2009-12-20 15:34 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 17:02 ` Blue Swirl
2009-12-20 17:18 ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-20 17:55 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 18:01 ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-20 18:24 ` Andreas Färber
2009-12-20 18:53 ` Blue Swirl
2009-12-20 21:24 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-12-20 21:23 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-12-18 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/8] pci romfiles: add property, add default to PCIDeviceInfo Gerd Hoffmann
2010-01-11 21:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC] New naming rules for GPXE romfiles Stefan Weil
2010-01-11 21:34 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-12 10:23 ` Kevin Wolf
2009-12-18 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/8] fw_cfg: make calls typesafe Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-18 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/8] fw_cfg: add API for file transfer Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-19 12:06 ` Blue Swirl
2009-12-20 8:42 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [SeaBIOS] " Gleb Natapov
2009-12-18 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/8] roms: use new fw_cfg file xfer support Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-20 8:45 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [SeaBIOS] " Gleb Natapov
2009-12-18 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 6/8] roms: remove option rom packing logic Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-18 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 7/8] updated seabios binary for testing convinience Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-18 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 8/8] debug: enable bios messages Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-18 14:35 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [SeaBIOS] [PATCH 0/8] option rom loading overhaul Anthony Liguori
2009-12-18 16:34 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-18 16:42 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-18 17:03 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-18 17:12 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-19 1:48 ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-12-19 3:07 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-18 17:14 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-18 18:04 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-18 19:41 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-18 19:53 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-18 20:10 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-20 8:38 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 14:43 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 14:52 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 14:58 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 15:07 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 15:11 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 15:20 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-20 15:31 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 15:35 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 13:04 ` Paul Brook
2009-12-22 13:09 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 15:11 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-22 15:54 ` Paul Brook
2009-12-22 16:16 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 15:23 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 15:28 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 15:33 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 15:39 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 15:52 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 16:08 ` Blue Swirl
2009-12-20 16:15 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 16:23 ` Blue Swirl
2009-12-20 17:48 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-21 1:59 ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-12-21 7:32 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 16:40 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-21 16:43 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 17:26 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-21 17:43 ` Gleb Natapov [this message]
2009-12-21 18:24 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Re: [SeaBIOS] [PATCH 0/8] option rom loadingoverhaul Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-21 18:36 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 19:28 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-21 19:57 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 19:17 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-12-21 19:39 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-21 19:53 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 20:16 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-22 7:58 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-22 14:57 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-21 19:48 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 19:13 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [SeaBIOS] [PATCH 0/8] option rom loading overhaul Anthony Liguori
2009-12-21 19:43 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 23:54 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-22 20:50 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Re: [SeaBIOS] [PATCH 0/8] option rom loadingoverhaul Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-21 7:40 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [SeaBIOS] [PATCH 0/8] option rom loading overhaul Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 17:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-12 4:48 ` Jamie Lokier
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