From: Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: Michael T <raselmsh@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Guest memory mapping in Qemu
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:05:09 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <201003241305.09507.paul@codesourcery.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BAY132-W280E1230035A203253D20D0250@phx.gbl>
> If the technical documentation at
> http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/usenix05/tech/freeni
> x/full_papers/bellard/bellard_html/index.html is still valid (I think it
> is), Qemu has two modes of handling access to guest memory - system
> emulation, in which an entire guest address space is mapped on the host,
> and emulated MMU.
No. qemu-fast (using the host address space) was removed long ago. There are a
few stray remnants, but nothing useful. We always use an emulated MMU.
> I was wondering whether something in-between would also
> be feasible. That is, chunks of guest address space (say 4MB chunks for
> the sake of the argument) are mmapped into the address space of the Qemu
> process on the host, and when an access to guest memory is made, there is
> an initial check to see whether it is in the same chunk as the last one,
> in which case all the MMU emulation bits could be saved. I could imagine
> Qemu keeping a current/most recent chunk for each register which can be
> used for relative addressing, plus one for non-register-relative accesses.
> It seems to me that this could potentially speed up memory access quite a
> bit, and as a bonus even make it easy to support x86 segmentation (as part
> of the bounds check for whether a memory access is in a chunk).
This is effectively shadow paging implemented in userspace via mmap. It's very
hard to make it work in a sane way, and even harder to make it go fast. TLB
handling is already a significant bottleneck for many tasks, adding a mmap
call is likely to make this orders of magnitude worse. Most guests use
virtual memory extensively, so the virtual->physical mappings tend to be
extremely fragmented.
If you really want to do shadow paging for cross environments, you probably
need to move it into kernel space. Either as a host kernel module, or as a
bare-metal kernel/application that runs inside KVM. Even then you have to use
various tricks to partition off a section of the host address space for use by
qemu. It's not impossible, but it is a significant undertaking with somewhat
unclear benefits.
Paul
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Thread overview: 3+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-03-24 11:11 [Qemu-devel] Guest memory mapping in Qemu Michael T
2010-03-24 13:05 ` Paul Brook [this message]
2010-03-24 14:50 ` Michael T
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