qemu-devel.nongnu.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Compile files only once: some planning
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 03:08:44 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100325030844.GD28176@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BAA98CD.4090900@codemonkey.ws>

Anthony Liguori wrote:
> It's a statement of correctness really.  Devices should never deal with 
> target_phys_addr_t's.

Shouldn't they?  On real hardware, 64-bit PCI devices switch to being
32-bit PCI when plugged into a 32-bit motherboard slot.

> The question is, should a pci_addr_t or a sysbus_addr_t be 64 bit or 
> should it be 32-bit on 32-bit platforms.

Depends what you want to emulate.  It's not an accurate emulation if
all the old PCI devices provide 64-bit BARs; that could conceivably
bite some old OS, which expects NE2000-PCI to be a 32-bit device, for example.

And it's not a repeatable emulation if switching beteen 32-bit and
64-bit hosts means the guest sees a change in the PCI devices.  It
should be possible to change hosts with qemu willy nilly with zero
change seen be the guest.

So perhaps the width of pci_addr_t should be a per-device property,
not a host property?

> Honestly, I am extremely sceptical that there would be any
> measurable performance difference.

You may be right, but surely the way to find out is to have a way to
build either, and then compare them.  Not have it dictated by the build system.

64-bit ops on 32-bit hosts, especially x86 due to register pressure,
are noticably more expensive than 32-bit ops.  The question is whether
they are sparse enough among all the other logic that it doesn't matter.

With a bit of make cleverness it should be quite easy to support a mix
of build-once files and build-few-times files according to the minimal
compile time variations those files depend on - and express those
dependencies is a simple, one-liner way.  GNU Make is good for that
sort of thing.

- Jamie

  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-25  3:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-23 21:43 [Qemu-devel] Compile files only once: some planning Blue Swirl
2010-03-24  9:17 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2010-03-24 17:56   ` Blue Swirl
2010-03-24 19:28     ` Juan Quintela
2010-03-24 22:47       ` Paul Brook
2010-03-24 22:57         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-25  3:08           ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2010-03-25  2:54   ` Jamie Lokier
2010-03-24  9:47 ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-03-24 11:19   ` Richard Henderson
2010-03-24 14:45     ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-03-24 14:56       ` Paul Brook
2010-03-24 16:18         ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-03-24 17:27           ` Paul Brook
2010-03-24 17:07       ` Richard Henderson
2010-03-24 20:12         ` Richard Henderson
2010-03-24 18:00     ` Blue Swirl
2010-03-24 19:39 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-24 20:05   ` Blue Swirl
2010-03-24 20:08     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-24 20:24       ` Blue Swirl
2010-03-24 20:24         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-24 20:32           ` Blue Swirl
2010-03-24 20:28         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-24 21:00         ` Aurelien Jarno
2010-03-24 22:33     ` Paul Brook
2010-03-24 22:50       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-24 23:05         ` Paul Brook
2010-03-24 23:07           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-25  8:21             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-03-25 12:01               ` Paul Brook

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20100325030844.GD28176@shareable.org \
    --to=jamie@shareable.org \
    --cc=anthony@codemonkey.ws \
    --cc=blauwirbel@gmail.com \
    --cc=paul@codesourcery.com \
    --cc=qemu-devel@nongnu.org \
    --cc=quintela@redhat.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).