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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu list <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 10/15] virtio-serial: Add QMP events for failed port/device add
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 05:23:25 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100326052325.GZ19308@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100326045607.GJ8111@amit-x200.redhat.com>

Amit Shah wrote:
> > Sure.  Does the host app see an EOF on its input when that happens?
> > (I.e. *not* like a real serial port).
> 
> If it's an in-qemu app, it gets the guest_closed() callback. So I guess
> qmp events for non-qemu apps is what you're looking for?

See below.

> > But what I really meant was, if the guest resets, and then it boots up
> > before the host apps manage to process their events (e.g. due to
> > timing, remoteness, swapping or whatever), it's important that the
> > virtio-serial using host app knows where the discontinuity in the byte
> > stream is.  Otherwise the app needs to use a silly overcomplicated
> > protocol just to provide a reliable layer over the byte stream.
> 
> I'd rather that the apps used the existing QMP notifications for guest
> reset so that we don't have to do anything special for virtio-serial
> (and for other devices as well).

I'm trying to understand how to avoid the race condition with that.

1. guest sends a big blob of data to virtio-serial
2. qemu writes to socket for host app
      -> wakes up host app (outside qemu) listening for virtio-serial data
3. guest resets or its kernel crashes
      -> the big blob is only partially sent
4. qemu sends QMP notification
5.    -> wakes up host app listening for QMP events
6. guest boots up.
7. guest opens virtio-serial, and starts by sending a message.
8.    -> host app gets to run, sees the event sent in step 2.
9.    -> host app reads available data from virtio-serial
         data includes bytes sent in step 1 and step 7

Can the host app tell which bytes to discard because they were a
truncated message sent prior to the reset, so that it can find the
start of the new message sent in step 7?

A QMP event has that race condition.

If communication with the external host app is over a local socket
(AF_UNIX or AF_INET or mkpipe), qemu could just disconnect and
reconnect whenever the guest does, which is perfectly logical and
solves this.

If the external host app is fork+exec'd from qemu with a pair of pipes
(",exec="), closing the writing pipe, waiting for EOF from the
reading pipe, and then re-exec-ing the external app would do as well.

If neither of those are used, then a bit more context from QMP is
needed, such as the exact number of bytes transmitted prior to the
reset, presumably in a virtio-serial close event.

-- Jamie

  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-26  5:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-24 14:49 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/15] v3: virtio-serial-bus fixes, new abi for port discovery Amit Shah
2010-03-24 14:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/15] virtio-serial: save/load: Ensure target has enough ports Amit Shah
2010-03-24 14:49   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/15] virtio-serial: save/load: Ensure nr_ports on src and dest are same Amit Shah
2010-03-24 14:49     ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/15] virtio-serial: save/load: Ensure we have hot-plugged ports instantiated Amit Shah
2010-03-24 14:49       ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/15] virtio-serial: save/load: Send target host connection status if different Amit Shah
2010-03-24 14:49         ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/15] virtio-serial: Use control messages to notify guest of new ports Amit Shah
2010-03-24 14:49           ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/15] virtio-serial: whitespace: match surrounding code Amit Shah
2010-03-24 14:49             ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/15] virtio-serial: Remove redundant check for 0-sized write request Amit Shah
2010-03-24 14:49               ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/15] virtio-serial: Update copyright year to 2010 Amit Shah
2010-03-24 14:49                 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/15] virtio-serial: Propagate errors in initialising ports / devices in guest Amit Shah
2010-03-24 14:49                   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/15] virtio-serial: Add QMP events for failed port/device add Amit Shah
2010-03-24 14:49                     ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/15] virtio-serial: Send out guest data to ports only if port is opened Amit Shah
2010-03-24 14:49                       ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/15] iov: Introduce a new file for helpers around iovs, add iov_from_buf() Amit Shah
2010-03-24 14:49                         ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/15] iov: Add iov_to_buf and iov_size helpers Amit Shah
2010-03-24 14:49                           ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 14/15] virtio-serial: Handle scatter-gather buffers for control messages Amit Shah
2010-03-24 14:49                             ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/15] virtio-serial: Handle scatter/gather input from the guest Amit Shah
2010-03-30 13:44                             ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 14/15] virtio-serial: Handle scatter-gather buffers for control messages Juan Quintela
2010-03-30 13:47                               ` Amit Shah
2010-03-24 20:34                     ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 10/15] virtio-serial: Add QMP events for failed port/device add Luiz Capitulino
2010-03-25  3:47                       ` Amit Shah
2010-03-25 18:34                         ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-03-26  1:17                           ` Jamie Lokier
2010-03-26  2:07                             ` Amit Shah
2010-03-26  4:07                               ` Jamie Lokier
2010-03-26  4:56                                 ` Amit Shah
2010-03-26  5:23                                   ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2010-03-26 13:49                                     ` Amit Shah
2010-03-26 14:44                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2010-03-26 14:57                                         ` Amit Shah
2010-03-28 15:01                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2010-03-26 13:05                                   ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-03-26 13:24                                     ` Amit Shah
2010-03-26  1:57                           ` Amit Shah
2010-03-25 18:55                     ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-03-26  2:16                       ` Amit Shah
2010-03-26 13:14                         ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-03-26 13:26                           ` Amit Shah
2010-03-26 14:29                             ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-03-26 14:43                               ` Amit Shah
2010-03-26 17:52                                 ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-03-27  8:03                                   ` Amit Shah
2010-03-29 13:34                                     ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-03-26 16:51                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-26  1:09     ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/15] virtio-serial: save/load: Ensure nr_ports on src and dest are same Jamie Lokier
2010-03-26  2:03       ` Amit Shah
2010-03-26  4:08         ` Jamie Lokier

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