From: Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>, Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@web.de>,
Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [RFT][PATCH 07/15] qemu_irq: Add IRQ handlers with delivery feedback
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 00:26:33 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <201005270026.34119.paul@codesourcery.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim6zZYtkPkJxlZHbHKWhWXcU-RlpvgeyMUriBj1@mail.gmail.com>
> At the other extreme, would it be possible to make the educated guests
> aware of the virtualization also in clock aspect: virtio-clock?
The guest doesn't even need to be aware of virtualization. It just needs to be
able to accommodate the lack of guaranteed realtime behavior.
The fundamental problem here is that some guest operating systems assume that
the hardware provides certain realtime guarantees with respect to execution of
interrupt handlers. In particular they assume that the CPU will always be
able to complete execution of the timer IRQ handler before the periodic timer
triggers again. In most virtualized environments you have absolutely no
guarantee of realtime response.
With Linux guests this was solved a long time ago by the introduction of
tickless kernels. These separate the timekeeping from wakeup events, so it
doesn't matter if several wakeup triggers end up getting merged (either at the
hardware level or via top/bottom half guest IRQ handlers).
It's worth mentioning that this problem also occurs on real hardware,
typically due to lame hardware/drivers which end up masking interrupts or
otherwise stall the CPU for for long periods of time.
The PIT hack attempts to workaround broken guests by adding artificial latency
to the timer event, ensuring that the guest "sees" them all. Unfortunately
guests vary on when it is safe for them to see the next timer event, and
trying to observe this behavior involves potentially harmful heuristics and
collusion between unrelated devices (e.g. interrupt controller and timer).
In some cases we don't even do that, and just reschedule the event some
arbitrarily small amount of time later. This assumes the guest to do useful
work in that time. In a single threaded environment this is probably true -
qemu got enough CPU to inject the first interrupt, so will probably manage to
execute some guest code before the end of its timeslice. In an environment
where interrupt processing/delivery and execution of the guest code happen in
different threads this becomes increasingly likely to fail.
Paul
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-05-26 23:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-05-24 20:13 [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 00/15] HPET cleanups, fixes, enhancements Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 01/15] hpet: Catch out-of-bounds timer access Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:34 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2010-05-24 20:36 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:50 ` Juan Quintela
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 02/15] hpet: Coding style cleanups and some refactorings Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:37 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 03/15] hpet: Silence warning on write to running main counter Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 04/15] hpet: Move static timer field initialization Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 05/15] hpet: Convert to qdev Jan Kiszka
2010-05-25 9:37 ` Paul Brook
2010-05-25 10:14 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 06/15] hpet: Start/stop timer when HPET_TN_ENABLE is modified Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 07/15] qemu_irq: Add IRQ handlers with delivery feedback Jan Kiszka
2010-05-25 6:07 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-25 6:31 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-25 6:40 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-25 6:54 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-25 19:09 ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl
2010-05-25 20:16 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 21:44 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-26 8:08 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-26 20:14 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-27 5:42 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-26 19:55 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-26 20:09 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-26 20:35 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-26 22:35 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-26 23:26 ` Paul Brook [this message]
2010-05-27 17:56 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-27 18:31 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-27 18:53 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-27 19:08 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-27 19:19 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-27 22:19 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-28 19:00 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-30 12:00 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-27 22:21 ` Paul Brook
2010-05-28 19:10 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-27 22:21 ` Paul Brook
2010-05-27 6:13 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-27 18:37 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-28 7:31 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-28 20:06 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-28 20:47 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-29 7:58 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-29 9:35 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-29 9:45 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-29 10:04 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-29 10:16 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-29 10:26 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-29 10:38 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-29 14:46 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-29 16:13 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-29 16:37 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-29 21:21 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-30 6:02 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-30 12:10 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-30 12:24 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-30 12:58 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-31 7:46 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-30 12:33 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-30 12:56 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-30 13:49 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-30 16:54 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-30 19:37 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-30 20:07 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-30 20:21 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-31 5:19 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-06-01 18:00 ` Blue Swirl
2010-06-01 18:30 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-06-02 19:05 ` Blue Swirl
2010-06-03 6:23 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-03 6:34 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-06-03 6:59 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-03 7:03 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-06-03 7:06 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-06-04 19:05 ` Blue Swirl
2010-06-05 0:04 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-05 7:20 ` Blue Swirl
2010-06-05 8:27 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-05 9:23 ` Blue Swirl
2010-06-05 12:14 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-06 7:15 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-06-06 7:39 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-06 7:49 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-06-06 8:07 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-06 9:23 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-06-06 10:10 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-06 10:27 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-06-06 7:39 ` Blue Swirl
2010-06-06 8:07 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-30 13:22 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-29 9:15 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-29 9:36 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-29 14:38 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-29 16:03 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-29 16:32 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-29 20:52 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-30 5:41 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-30 11:41 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-30 11:52 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-30 12:05 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-27 5:58 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-26 19:49 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 08/15] x86: Refactor RTC IRQ coalescing workaround Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 09/15] hpet/rtc: Rework RTC IRQ replacement by HPET Jan Kiszka
2010-05-25 9:29 ` Paul Brook
2010-05-25 10:23 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-25 11:05 ` Paul Brook
2010-05-25 11:19 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-25 11:23 ` Paul Brook
2010-05-25 11:26 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-25 12:03 ` Paul Brook
2010-05-25 12:39 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 10/15] hpet: Drop static state Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 11/15] hpet: Add support for level-triggered interrupts Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 12/15] vmstate: Add VMSTATE_STRUCT_VARRAY_UINT8 Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 13/15] hpet: Make number of timers configurable Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 14/15] hpet: Add MSI support Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 15/15] monitor/QMP: Drop info hpet / query-hpet Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 22:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 00/15] HPET cleanups, fixes, enhancements Anthony Liguori
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