From: Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
To: Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>
Cc: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@web.de>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [RFT][PATCH 07/15] qemu_irq: Add IRQ handlers with delivery feedback
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 23:21:35 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <201005272321.35796.paul@codesourcery.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimLYFIwZew6Q3hpKrNmtCy7u1MhqoYxLFDdPzs7@mail.gmail.com>
> > In some cases we don't even do that, and just reschedule the event some
> > arbitrarily small amount of time later. This assumes the guest to do
> > useful work in that time. In a single threaded environment this is
> > probably true - qemu got enough CPU to inject the first interrupt, so
> > will probably manage to execute some guest code before the end of its
> > timeslice. In an environment where interrupt processing/delivery and
> > execution of the guest code happen in different threads this becomes
> > increasingly likely to fail.
>
> So any voodoo around timer events is doomed to fail in some cases.
Depends on the level of voodoo.
My guess is that common guest operating systems require hacks which result in
demonstrably incorrect behavior.
> What's the amount of hacks what we want then? Is there any generic
> solution, like slowing down the guest system to the point where we can
> guarantee the interrupt rate vs. CPU execution speed?
The "-icount N" option gives deterministic virtual realtime behavior, however
teh guuest if completely decoupled from real-world time.
The "-icount auto" option gives semi-deterministic behavior while maintaining
overall consistency with the real world. This may introduce some small-scale
time jitter, but will still satisfy all but the most demanding hard-real-time
assumptions.
Neither of these options work with KVM. It may be possible to implement
something using using performance counters. I don't know how much additional
overhead this would involve.
Paul
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-05-27 22:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-05-24 20:13 [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 00/15] HPET cleanups, fixes, enhancements Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 01/15] hpet: Catch out-of-bounds timer access Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:34 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2010-05-24 20:36 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:50 ` Juan Quintela
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 02/15] hpet: Coding style cleanups and some refactorings Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:37 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 03/15] hpet: Silence warning on write to running main counter Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 04/15] hpet: Move static timer field initialization Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 05/15] hpet: Convert to qdev Jan Kiszka
2010-05-25 9:37 ` Paul Brook
2010-05-25 10:14 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 06/15] hpet: Start/stop timer when HPET_TN_ENABLE is modified Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 07/15] qemu_irq: Add IRQ handlers with delivery feedback Jan Kiszka
2010-05-25 6:07 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-25 6:31 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-25 6:40 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-25 6:54 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-25 19:09 ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl
2010-05-25 20:16 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 21:44 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-26 8:08 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-26 20:14 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-27 5:42 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-26 19:55 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-26 20:09 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-26 20:35 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-26 22:35 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-26 23:26 ` Paul Brook
2010-05-27 17:56 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-27 18:31 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-27 18:53 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-27 19:08 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-27 19:19 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-27 22:19 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-28 19:00 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-30 12:00 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-27 22:21 ` Paul Brook
2010-05-28 19:10 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-27 22:21 ` Paul Brook [this message]
2010-05-27 6:13 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-27 18:37 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-28 7:31 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-28 20:06 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-28 20:47 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-29 7:58 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-29 9:35 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-29 9:45 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-29 10:04 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-29 10:16 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-29 10:26 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-29 10:38 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-29 14:46 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-29 16:13 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-29 16:37 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-29 21:21 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-30 6:02 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-30 12:10 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-30 12:24 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-30 12:58 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-31 7:46 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-30 12:33 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-30 12:56 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-30 13:49 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-30 16:54 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-30 19:37 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-30 20:07 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-30 20:21 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-31 5:19 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-06-01 18:00 ` Blue Swirl
2010-06-01 18:30 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-06-02 19:05 ` Blue Swirl
2010-06-03 6:23 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-03 6:34 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-06-03 6:59 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-03 7:03 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-06-03 7:06 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-06-04 19:05 ` Blue Swirl
2010-06-05 0:04 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-05 7:20 ` Blue Swirl
2010-06-05 8:27 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-05 9:23 ` Blue Swirl
2010-06-05 12:14 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-06 7:15 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-06-06 7:39 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-06 7:49 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-06-06 8:07 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-06 9:23 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-06-06 10:10 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-06 10:27 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-06-06 7:39 ` Blue Swirl
2010-06-06 8:07 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-30 13:22 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-29 9:15 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-29 9:36 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-29 14:38 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-29 16:03 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-29 16:32 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-29 20:52 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-30 5:41 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-30 11:41 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-30 11:52 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-30 12:05 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-27 5:58 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-05-26 19:49 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 08/15] x86: Refactor RTC IRQ coalescing workaround Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 09/15] hpet/rtc: Rework RTC IRQ replacement by HPET Jan Kiszka
2010-05-25 9:29 ` Paul Brook
2010-05-25 10:23 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-25 11:05 ` Paul Brook
2010-05-25 11:19 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-25 11:23 ` Paul Brook
2010-05-25 11:26 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-25 12:03 ` Paul Brook
2010-05-25 12:39 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 10/15] hpet: Drop static state Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 11/15] hpet: Add support for level-triggered interrupts Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 12/15] vmstate: Add VMSTATE_STRUCT_VARRAY_UINT8 Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 13/15] hpet: Make number of timers configurable Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 14/15] hpet: Add MSI support Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 20:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 15/15] monitor/QMP: Drop info hpet / query-hpet Jan Kiszka
2010-05-24 22:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFT][PATCH 00/15] HPET cleanups, fixes, enhancements Anthony Liguori
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