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From: Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: "chrisw@redhat.com" <chrisw@redhat.com>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	"avi@redhat.com" <avi@redhat.com>,
	"kraxel@redhat.com" <kraxel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 1/5] qdev: Create qdev_get_dev_path()
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:04:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201006151304.17342.paul@codesourcery.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C1767CA.1050809@siemens.com>

> >> From user POV, driver names are very handly to address a device
> >> intuitively - except for the case you have tones of devices on the same
> >> bus that are handled by the same driver. For that case we need to
> >> augment the device name with a useful per-bus ID, derived from the bus
> >> address where available, otherwise based on instance numbers.
> > 
> > This is where I think you're missing a trick. We don't need to augment
> > the name, we just need to allow the bus id to be used instead.
> 
> I prefer having one name per device, both unique AND human-friendly.
> Adding yet another alias will solve only the first requirement. E.g.,
> which one should I present to the monitor user when listing a bus for
> auto-completion or path error reporting?

Autocompletion can report all of them. Errors should report either what the 
user specified (if the problem is with the address), or the canonical address 
(if the problem is unrelated to the address).

Remember that we also have global aliases (paths that do not begin with "/").

> >>> An easy way to get that is to reserve part of the name space for bus
> >>> addresses.  If the path component starts with a letter, it's an ID or
> >>> driver name.  If it starts with say '@', it's a bus address in
> >>> bus-specific syntax.  The bus provides a method to look it up.
> >> 
> >> I would prefer <driver>[@<bus-address>|.<instance-no>]. The former is
> >> set for buses that implement some to-be-defined device addressing
> >> service, the latter is the default on buses where that service is not
> >> available.
> > 
> > If we have bus-address then I see no good reason to also add instance-no.
> > For busses that no natural address, we can define the address to be an
> > instance number.
> 
> Again readability: isa-serial.0 & isa-serial.1 is more intuitive than
> isa-serial.6 & isa-serial.7 just because there happen to be 6 other ISA
> devices registered before them.

I don't think either of these are intuitive. There's a good chance that
isa-serial.0 will not correspond to the first serial port in the guest.
Much better would be allowing use of IO port or MMIO addresses to identify ISA 
devices.  Some modification to the ISABus code may be required to implement 
this.

Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-15 12:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-14  5:51 [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 0/5] Introduce canonical device hierarchy string Alex Williamson
2010-06-14  5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 1/5] qdev: Create qdev_get_dev_path() Alex Williamson
2010-06-14  6:39   ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-14 12:52     ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-14 13:00       ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-14 13:09       ` Paul Brook
2010-06-14 15:29         ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-14 15:42           ` Paul Brook
2010-06-14 16:00           ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-14 16:38             ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-14 16:49               ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-14 18:35                 ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-14 21:43                   ` Paul Brook
2010-06-14 22:11                     ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-14 22:46                       ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15  1:14                         ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-15 11:24                           ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15  8:47         ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-15  9:34           ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-15 11:28             ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15 11:45               ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-15 12:04                 ` Paul Brook [this message]
2010-06-15 12:16                   ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-15 12:39                     ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15 13:00                       ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-15 13:14                         ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15 13:16                 ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-15 13:32                   ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-15 20:53               ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-15 21:55                 ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15 22:33                   ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-15 23:01                     ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15 23:10                       ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-16  0:25                       ` Chris Wright
2010-06-16  0:30                         ` Paul Brook
2010-06-16  0:35                           ` Chris Wright
2010-06-16  1:30                             ` Paul Brook
2010-06-16  2:55                               ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-16  8:23                 ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-17 22:25                   ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-18  9:16                     ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-18 15:01                       ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-18 15:22                         ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-18 14:03                     ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-18 14:14                       ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-18 15:21                       ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-15 11:42             ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-15 11:59               ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-15 13:07                 ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-15 13:19                   ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15 13:32                     ` Paul Brook
2010-06-15 15:08                   ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-16 13:02                     ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-14  5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 2/5] savevm: Add DeviceState param Alex Williamson
2010-06-14  5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 3/5] savevm: Make use of the new " Alex Williamson
2010-06-14  5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 4/5] eepro100: Add a dev field to eeprom new/free functions Alex Williamson
2010-06-14  5:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 5/5] virtio-net: Incorporate a DeviceState pointer and let savevm track instances Alex Williamson
2010-06-14  7:02 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [RFC PATCH 0/5] Introduce canonical device hierarchy string Gerd Hoffmann
2010-06-14 19:56   ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-15  8:53     ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-15 18:01       ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-16  8:34         ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-16  8:36           ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-15  9:12     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-06-15 18:03       ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-16  9:46 ` RFC qdev path semantics (was: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 0/5] Introduce canonical device hierarchy string) Markus Armbruster
2010-06-16 10:40   ` Paul Brook
2010-06-16 11:37   ` [Qemu-devel] Re: RFC qdev path semantics Jan Kiszka
2010-06-16 11:45     ` Paul Brook
2010-06-16 12:01       ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-16 12:21         ` Paul Brook
2010-06-16 13:50           ` Jan Kiszka
2010-06-16 13:05   ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-16 13:23     ` Paul Brook
2010-06-16 14:31       ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-17 21:43   ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-17 22:01     ` Paul Brook
2010-06-17 22:34       ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-18  7:52     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-06-18 14:58   ` Markus Armbruster
2010-06-22 14:27   ` Anthony Liguori

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