From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=41752 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OsKmA-0002YZ-G3 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 15:21:15 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OsKm9-0000AO-7j for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 15:21:14 -0400 Received: from mail-ew0-f45.google.com ([209.85.215.45]:53478) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OsKm9-0000AE-2C for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 15:21:13 -0400 Received: by ewy27 with SMTP id 27so2095952ewy.4 for ; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 12:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 21:21:08 +0200 From: "Edgar E. Iglesias" Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Unmaintained QEMU builds Message-ID: <20100905192108.GA10866@laped.lan> References: <4C837CAF.4080200@redhat.com> <4C83B2ED.5040501@redhat.com> <4C83BDF7.8020201@codemonkey.ws> <4C83BFD3.1070808@redhat.com> <4C83D8A6.1090406@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: List-Id: qemu-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: andrzej zaborowski Cc: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4rber?= , Avi Kivity , QEMU Developers On Sun, Sep 05, 2010 at 07:56:02PM +0200, andrzej zaborowski wrote: > On 5 September 2010 19:51, Avi Kivity wrote: > >  On 09/05/2010 08:44 PM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: > >> > >>>> I'm perfectly fine with dropping it.  btw, there are other features in > >>>> qemu > >>>> that seem to be academic exercises - *-user for example.  What is it > >>>> useful > >>>> for?  Most open source stuff is multiplatform, and serious commercial > >>>> work > >>>> needs something faster than tcg. > >>> > >>> Riiight.. Here's a story, my work duties required me to fiddled with > >> > >> More examples of industrial use are Nokia and Palm using OpenEmbedded > >> building firmware for their phones, which afaik I relies for some > >> parts on qemu (just some parts, so the tcg performance doesn't impact > >> overall performance that much).  There are many more users of OE, but > >> these two have products in shops near me. > > > > Well, both these examples are very far from the typical end user or even > > typical developer. > > Some of the industrial users include all of their "app developers" > which count in big numbers. Now I haven't installed Nokia or Palm's > SDKs but Poky's SDK (OE-based) does include qemu. So I wouldn't be > surprised if the number of deployments is bigger than system mode > qemu. I agree, removing linux-user emulation doesn't make any sense to me. Cheers