From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH v2 3/7] docs: Add QED image format specification
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:42:41 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101011134241.GA5439@stefan-thinkpad.transitives.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CB30B43.2040706@redhat.com>
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 03:04:03PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 10/11/2010 12:09 PM, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> >On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 11:20:09AM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> >> On 10/08/2010 05:48 PM, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> >> >Signed-off-by: Stefan Hajnoczi<stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> >> >---
> >> > docs/specs/qed_spec.txt | 94 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> > 1 files changed, 94 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)
> >> >
> >> >+Feature bits:
> >> >+* QED_F_BACKING_FILE = 0x01. The image uses a backing file.
> >> >+* QED_F_NEED_CHECK = 0x02. The image needs a consistency check before use.
> >>
> >> Great that QED_F_NEED_CHECK is now non-optional. However, suppose
> >> we add a new structure (e.g. persistent freelist); it's now
> >> impossible to tell whether the structure is updated or not:
> >>
> >> 1 new qemu opens image
> >> 2 writes persistent freelist
> >> 3 clears need_check
> >> 4 shuts down
> >> 5 old qemu opens image
> >> 6 doesn't update persistent freelist
> >> 7 clears need_check
> >> 8 shuts down
> >>
> >> The image is now inconsistent, but has need_check cleared.
> >>
> >> We can address this by having a third feature bitmask that is
> >> autocleared by guests that don't recognize various bits; so the
> >> sequence becomes:
> >>
> >> 1 new qemu opens image
> >> 2 writes persistent freelist
> >> 3 clears need_check
> >> 4 sets persistent_freelist
> >> 5 shuts down
> >> 6 old qemu opens image
> >> 7 clears persistent_freelist (and any other bits it doesn't recognize)
> >> 8 doesn't update persistent freelist
> >> 9 clears need_check
> >> 10 shuts down
> >>
> >> The image is now consistent, since the persistent freelist has disappeared.
> >
> >It is more complicated than just the feature bit. The freelist requires
> >space in the image file. Clearing the persistent_freelist bit leaks the
> >freelist.
> >
> >We can solve this by using a compat feature bit and an autoclear feature
> >bit. The autoclear bit specifies whether or not the freelist is valid
> >and the compat feature bit specifices whether or not the freelist
> >exists.
> >
> >When the new qemu opens the image again it notices that the autoclear
> >bit is unset but the compat bit is set. This means the freelist is
> >out-of-date and its space can be reclaimed.
> >
> >I don't like the idea of doing these feature bit acrobatics because they
> >add complexity. On the other hand your proposal ensures backward
> >compatibility in the case of an optional data structure that needs to
> >stay in sync with the image. I'm just not 100% convinced it's worth it.
>
> My scenario ends up with data corruption if we move to an old qemu
> and then back again, without any aborts.
>
> A leak is acceptable (it won't grow; it's just an unused, incorrect
> freelist), but data corruption is not.
The alternative is for the freelist to be a non-compat feature bit.
That means older QEMU binaries cannot use a QED image that has enabled
the freelist.
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-10-11 13:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-10-08 15:48 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 0/7] qed: Add QEMU Enhanced Disk format Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-08 15:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 1/7] qcow2: Make get_bits_from_size() common Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-08 18:01 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-10-08 15:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 2/7] cutils: Add bytes_to_str() to format byte values Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 11:09 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2010-10-13 9:15 ` [Qemu-devel] " Markus Armbruster
2010-10-13 9:28 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-13 10:58 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-13 10:25 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-10-08 15:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 3/7] docs: Add QED image format specification Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-10 9:20 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 10:09 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 13:04 ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 13:42 ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2010-10-11 13:44 ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 14:06 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 14:12 ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 15:02 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 15:24 ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 15:41 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 15:47 ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 14:54 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 14:58 ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 15:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 16:02 ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 16:10 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-12 10:25 ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 13:58 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-11 15:30 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 15:39 ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 15:46 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 16:18 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 17:14 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-12 8:07 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-12 13:16 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-12 13:32 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 15:50 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-08 15:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 4/7] qed: Add QEMU Enhanced Disk image format Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 15:16 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2010-10-08 15:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 5/7] qed: Table, L2 cache, and cluster functions Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-12 14:44 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2010-10-13 13:41 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-08 15:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 6/7] qed: Read/write support Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-10 9:10 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 10:37 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 13:10 ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 13:55 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 14:57 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-12 15:08 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-12 15:22 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-12 15:39 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-12 15:59 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-12 16:16 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-12 16:21 ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-13 12:13 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-13 13:07 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-13 13:24 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-13 13:50 ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-13 14:07 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-13 14:08 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-13 14:10 ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-13 14:11 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-13 14:16 ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-13 14:53 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-13 15:08 ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-13 15:42 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-14 11:06 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-13 14:10 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-08 15:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 7/7] qed: Consistency check support Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 13:21 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH v2 0/7] qed: Add QEMU Enhanced Disk format Kevin Wolf
2010-10-11 15:37 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-16 7:51 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
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