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From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	seabios@seabios.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [SeaBIOS] [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Passing boot order from qemu to seabios
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 19:41:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101012174121.GF5218@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d732e51b-a79c-4cdd-8eb7-22c41d0b985f@email.android.com>

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:35:51AM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On real hardware it is shared between BIOS and the OS, actually.
> 
Guest OS can write in qemu CMOS too. But what is it useful for? Most of
its content is not standard AFAIK.

> "Gleb Natapov" <gleb@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 09:33:16AM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> >> On 10/12/2010 01:01 AM, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> >> > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 02:15:26PM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> >> >>> I don't disagree.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I think the best thing to do is to let SeaBIOS create a boot order table 
> >> >>> that contains descriptive information and then advertise that to QEMU.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> QEMU can then try to associate the list of bootable devices with it's 
> >> >>> own set of devices and select a preferred order that it can then give 
> >> >>> back to SeaBIOS.  SeaBIOS can then present that list to the user for 
> >> >>> additional refinement.
> >> >>
> >> >> Really, this kind of comes down to having a data structure that anything
> >> >> (Qemu, SeaBIOS and if needed the guest OS) can read and modify as needed.
> >> >>
> >> > But then QEMU and seabios will have to have shared storage they can
> >> > both write too. And this shared storage is part of VM now so you need
> >> > to carry it around when you move your VM elsewhere.
> >> >  
> >> 
> >> Yes, and it's part of real hardware, too.  It's usually called "the
> >> CMOS", short for CMOS RAM.
> >> 
> >On real hardware it is not shared between HW and bios. It is
> >written/read only by BIOS. In qemu it is not persistent and generated
> >for each qemu invocation. Previously it was used to pass config params
> >from qemu to a bios (and some legacy params are still passed that way),
> >but we moved to better interface for that (firmware config).
> >
> >--
> >			Gleb.
> 
> -- 
> Sent from my mobile phone.  Please pardon any lack of formatting.

--
			Gleb.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-10-12 17:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-11 10:18 [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Passing boot order from qemu to seabios Gleb Natapov
2010-10-11 10:32 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-11 10:43   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-11 11:01     ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-11 12:07   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-10-11 12:16     ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-11 19:48       ` [SeaBIOS] " Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 19:59         ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-11 20:30           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 20:36             ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-11 20:50               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 21:14                 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-11 21:15             ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-11 21:41               ` Sebastian Herbszt
2010-10-11 21:51                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-12  8:01               ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-12 16:33                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-12 16:56                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-12 17:35                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-12 17:41                       ` Gleb Natapov [this message]
2010-10-12 17:45                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-12 19:06                           ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-13 19:17                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-13 20:00                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-13 20:22                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-11 19:51     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 20:02       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-11 20:18       ` [SeaBIOS] " H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-11 11:16 ` Bernhard Kohl
2010-10-11 12:08   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-11 23:33     ` [SeaBIOS] " Kevin O'Connor
2010-10-11 12:48   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 14:29     ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-11 15:52       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 16:04         ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-11 17:01         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 17:04           ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-11 23:16             ` [SeaBIOS] " Kevin O'Connor
2010-10-12  8:44             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 15:09 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [SeaBIOS] " Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 15:39   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-11 15:42     ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 15:52       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-12  0:08 ` Kevin O'Connor

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