From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
seabios@seabios.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [SeaBIOS] [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Passing boot order from qemu to seabios
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 19:41:21 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101012174121.GF5218@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d732e51b-a79c-4cdd-8eb7-22c41d0b985f@email.android.com>
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:35:51AM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On real hardware it is shared between BIOS and the OS, actually.
>
Guest OS can write in qemu CMOS too. But what is it useful for? Most of
its content is not standard AFAIK.
> "Gleb Natapov" <gleb@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 09:33:16AM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> >> On 10/12/2010 01:01 AM, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> >> > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 02:15:26PM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> >> >>> I don't disagree.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I think the best thing to do is to let SeaBIOS create a boot order table
> >> >>> that contains descriptive information and then advertise that to QEMU.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> QEMU can then try to associate the list of bootable devices with it's
> >> >>> own set of devices and select a preferred order that it can then give
> >> >>> back to SeaBIOS. SeaBIOS can then present that list to the user for
> >> >>> additional refinement.
> >> >>
> >> >> Really, this kind of comes down to having a data structure that anything
> >> >> (Qemu, SeaBIOS and if needed the guest OS) can read and modify as needed.
> >> >>
> >> > But then QEMU and seabios will have to have shared storage they can
> >> > both write too. And this shared storage is part of VM now so you need
> >> > to carry it around when you move your VM elsewhere.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Yes, and it's part of real hardware, too. It's usually called "the
> >> CMOS", short for CMOS RAM.
> >>
> >On real hardware it is not shared between HW and bios. It is
> >written/read only by BIOS. In qemu it is not persistent and generated
> >for each qemu invocation. Previously it was used to pass config params
> >from qemu to a bios (and some legacy params are still passed that way),
> >but we moved to better interface for that (firmware config).
> >
> >--
> > Gleb.
>
> --
> Sent from my mobile phone. Please pardon any lack of formatting.
--
Gleb.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-10-12 17:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-10-11 10:18 [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Passing boot order from qemu to seabios Gleb Natapov
2010-10-11 10:32 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-11 10:43 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-11 11:01 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-11 12:07 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-10-11 12:16 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-11 19:48 ` [SeaBIOS] " Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 19:59 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-11 20:30 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 20:36 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-11 20:50 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 21:14 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-11 21:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-11 21:41 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2010-10-11 21:51 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-12 8:01 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-12 16:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-12 16:56 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-12 17:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-12 17:41 ` Gleb Natapov [this message]
2010-10-12 17:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-12 19:06 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-13 19:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-13 20:00 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-13 20:22 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-11 19:51 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 20:02 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-11 20:18 ` [SeaBIOS] " H. Peter Anvin
2010-10-11 11:16 ` Bernhard Kohl
2010-10-11 12:08 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-11 23:33 ` [SeaBIOS] " Kevin O'Connor
2010-10-11 12:48 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 14:29 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-11 15:52 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 16:04 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-11 17:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-11 17:04 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-11 23:16 ` [SeaBIOS] " Kevin O'Connor
2010-10-12 8:44 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-10-11 15:09 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [SeaBIOS] " Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 15:39 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-11 15:42 ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-11 15:52 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-10-12 0:08 ` Kevin O'Connor
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