Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 2/2] RAM API: Make use of it for x86 PC

[Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>]

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 05:42:28PM -0600, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> >For my purpose in using this to program the IOMMU with guest physical to
> >host virtual addresses for device assignment, it doesn't really matter
> >since there should never be a DMA in this range of memory.  But for a
> >general RAM API, I'm not sure either.  I'm tempted to say that while
> >this is in fact a use of RAM, the RAM is never presented to the guest as
> >usable system memory (E820_RAM for x86), and should therefore be
> >excluded from the RAM API if we're using it only to track regions that
> >are actual guest usable physical memory.
> >
> >We had talked on irc that pc.c should be registering 0x0 to
> >below_4g_mem_size as ram, but now I tend to disagree with that.  The
> >memory backing 0xa0000-0x100000 is present, but it's not presented to
> >the guest as usable RAM.  What's your strict definition of what the RAM
> >API includes?  Is it only what the guest could consider usable RAM or
> >does it also include quirky chipset accelerator features like this
> >(everything with a guest physical address)?  Thanks,
> 
> Today we model on flat space that's a mixed of device memory, RAM,
> or ROM.  This is not how machines work and the limitations of this
> model is holding us back.
> 
> IRL, there's a block of RAM that's connected to a memory controller.
> The CPU is also connected to the memory controller.  Devices are
> connected to another controller which is in turn connected to the
> memory controller.  There may, in fact, be more than one controller
> between a device and the memory controller.
> 
> A controller may change the way a device sees memory in arbitrary
> ways.  In fact, two controllers accessing the same page might see
> something totally different.
> 
> The idea behind the RAM API is to begin to establish this hierarchy.
> RAM is not what any particular device sees--it's actual RAM.  IOW,
> the RAM API should represent what address mapping I would get if I
> talked directly to DIMMs.
> 
> This is not what RamBlock is even though the name would suggest
> otherwise.  RamBlocks are anything that qemu represents as cache
> consistency directly accessable memory.  Device ROMs and areas of
> device RAM are all allocated from the RamBlock space.
> 
> So the very first task of a RAM API is to simplify differentiate
> these two things.  Once we have the base RAM API, we can start
> adding the proper APIs that sit on top of it (like a PCI memory
> API).
> 
+1 for all above. What happens when device access some address is
completely different from what happens when CPU access the same address
(or even another device on another bus). For instance how MSI is
implemented now CPU can send MSI by writing to 0xfee00000 memory range.
I do not think you can do that on real HW.

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			Gleb.