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From: Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
To: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
Cc: Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>,
	QEMU-devel Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 00/15] [RFC] MMIO endianness cleanup
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:14:46 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201011251214.46800.paul@codesourcery.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1290670555-12575-1-git-send-email-agraf@suse.de>

> The way mmio endianness is currently implemented is horrifying.

Agreed.

> #ifdef TARGET_WORDS_BIGENDIAN
>     val = bswap32(val);
> #endif
> 
> With the move to get device code only compiled once, this has
> become harder and harder to justify though, since we don't know
> the target endianness during compile time.

Not just that, it's wrong to start with.  I've used machines with both native 
and cross-endian 16550 based UARTs.
 
> So my solution to the issue is to make every device define if
> it's a little, big or native (target) endianness device. This
> basically tells the layers below what endianness the device
> expects mmio to occur in. Little endian devices on little endian
> hosts don't swap. On big endian hosts they do. Same the other
> way around.
> 
> The only reason I added "native" endianness is that we have some
> PV devices like the fw_cfg that expect qemu's broken behavior.
> These devices are the minority though. In the long run I'd expect
> to see most code be committed with either of the two endianness
> choices.

I'd prefer to avoid this, or at least document it as a temporary hack that 
should be removed.  If a device can exist in either endian, then we really 
want to push this decision down to the board-level code.

One of the reasons I haven't bothered fixing this yet is that this feels like 
something that should be a device/bus property.  e.g. PCI devices/busses are 
always little-endian[1], as as mentioned above some devices come in both 
flavors.  I guess we can go with your approach for now, and make sure we fix 
this properly when we introduce bus-specific registration functions.

Paul

[1] Ignoring magical byteswapping cpu-pci bridges, but they're broken by 
design, and thankfully quite rare.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-11-25 12:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-25  7:35 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/15] [RFC] MMIO endianness cleanup Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/15] exec: introduce endianness swapped mmio Alexander Graf
2010-11-26 23:00   ` Andreas Färber
2010-11-26 23:06     ` Alexander Graf
2010-11-26 23:18     ` Peter Maydell
2010-11-26 23:47     ` Paul Brook
2010-11-27 10:05       ` Blue Swirl
2010-11-27 10:24         ` Paul Brook
2010-11-28  8:12   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-28 11:05     ` Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/15] Add endianness as io mem parameter Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/15] Make simple io mem handler endian aware Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/15] dbdma: Make little endian Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/15] pci-host: Delegate bswap to mmio layer Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/15] uninorth: Get rid of bswap Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/15] e1000: Make little endian Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/15] prep: Declare as " Alexander Graf
2010-11-26 21:58   ` Andreas Färber
2010-11-26 22:06     ` Alexander Graf
2010-11-27  0:08       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/15] versatile_pci: " Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/15] ppc4xx_pci: " Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/15] openpic: Replace explicit byte swap with endian hints Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/15] rtl8139: Declare as little endian Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/15] heathrow_pic: " Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 14/15] isa_mmio: Always use " Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/15] usb_ohci: " Alexander Graf
2010-11-25 10:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/15] [RFC] MMIO endianness cleanup Gerd Hoffmann
2010-11-25 10:23   ` Alexander Graf
2010-11-25 10:42   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-25 12:14 ` Paul Brook [this message]
2010-11-26 18:44 ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl
2010-11-26 18:49   ` Alexander Graf
2010-11-27 10:09     ` Avi Kivity

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