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From: Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
To: Yoshiaki Tamura <tamura.yoshiaki@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Cc: ohmura.kei@lab.ntt.co.jp, mtosatti@redhat.com,
	stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	dlaor@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	vatsa@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>,
	aliguori@us.ibm.com, avi@redhat.com, psuriset@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	ananth@in.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/21] Kemari for KVM 0.2
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 14:12:20 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201011291412.21001.paul@codesourcery.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim-qcbJv+os837UzrCAim2ap0uBLkJhHk6F2RC7@mail.gmail.com>

> >> To answer Stefan's question, there shouldn't be any requirement
> >> for a device, but must be tested with Kemari.  If it doesn't work
> >> correctly, the problems must be fixed before adding to the list.
> > 
> > What exactly are the problems? Is this a device bus of a Kemari bug?
> > If it's the former then that implies you're imposing additional
> > requirements that weren't previously part of the API.  If the latter,
> > then it's a bug like any other.
> 
> It's a problem if devices don't continue correctly upon failover.
> I would say it's a bug of live migration (not all of course)
> because Kemari is just live migrating at specific points.

Ah, now we're getting somewhere.  So you're saying that these devices are 
broken anyway, and Kemari happens to trigger that brokenness more frequently?

If the requirement is that a device must support live migration, then that 
should be the criteria for enabling Kemari, not some arbitrary whitelist.
If devices incorrectly claim support for live migration, then that should also 
be fixed, either by removing the broken code or by making it work.

AFAICT your current proposal is just feeding back the results of some fairly 
specific QA testing.  I'd rather not get into that game.  The correct response 
in the context of upstream development is to file a bug and/or fix the code.
We already have config files that allow third party packagers to remove 
devices they don't want to support.

Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-29 14:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-25  6:06 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/21] Kemari for KVM 0.2 Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-25  6:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/21] Make QEMUFile buf expandable, and introduce qemu_realloc_buffer() and qemu_clear_buffer() Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-25  6:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/21] Introduce read() to FdMigrationState Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-25  6:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/21] Introduce skip_header parameter to qemu_loadvm_state() Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-25  6:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/21] qemu-char: export socket_set_nodelay() Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-25  6:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/21] virtio: modify save/load handler to handle inuse varialble Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-28  9:28   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 11:27     ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-28 11:46       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-12-01  8:03         ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-12-02 12:02           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-12-03  6:28             ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-12-16  7:36               ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-12-16  9:51                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-12-16 14:28                   ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-12-16 14:40                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-12-16 15:59                       ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-12-17 16:22                         ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-12-24  9:27                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-12-24 11:42                           ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-12-24 13:21                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-12-26  9:05                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-12-26 10:14                               ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-12-26 10:46                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-12-26 10:50                                   ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-12-26 10:49                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-12-26 10:57                               ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-12-26 12:01                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-12-26 12:16                                   ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-12-26 12:17                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-25  6:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/21] vl: add a tmp pointer so that a handler can delete the entry to which it belongs Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-12-08  7:03   ` Isaku Yamahata
2010-12-08  8:11     ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-12-08 14:22       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-25  6:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/21] Introduce fault tolerant VM transaction QEMUFile and ft_mode Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-25  6:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/21] savevm: introduce util functions to control ft_trans_file from savevm layer Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-25  6:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/21] Introduce event-tap Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-29 11:00   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-11-30  9:50     ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-30 10:04       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-11-30 10:20         ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2011-01-04 11:02     ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2011-01-04 11:14       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-01-04 11:19       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-01-04 12:20         ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2011-01-04 13:10           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-01-04 13:45             ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2011-01-04 14:42               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-01-06  8:47                 ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2011-01-06  9:36                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-01-06  9:41                     ` Yoshiaki Tamura
     [not found]   ` <20101130011914.GA9015@amt.cnet>
2010-11-30  9:28     ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-30 10:25       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2010-11-30 10:35         ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-30 13:11           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2010-11-25  6:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/21] Call init handler of event-tap at main() in vl.c Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-25  6:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/21] ioport: insert event_tap_ioport() to ioport_write() Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-28  9:40   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 12:00     ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-12-16  7:37       ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-12-16  9:22         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-12-16  9:50           ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-12-16  9:54             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-12-16 16:27             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-12-17 16:19               ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-12-18  8:36                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-11-25  6:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/21] Insert event_tap_mmio() to cpu_physical_memory_rw() in exec.c Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-25  6:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/21] dma-helpers: replace bdrv_aio_writev() with bdrv_aio_writev_proxy() Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-28  9:33   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 11:55     ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-28 12:28       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-29  9:52       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-11-29 12:56         ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-25  6:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 14/21] virtio-blk: replace bdrv_aio_multiwrite() with bdrv_aio_multiwrite_proxy() Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-25  6:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/21] virtio-net: replace qemu_sendv_packet_async() with qemu_sendv_packet_async_proxy() Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-28  9:31   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 11:43     ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-25  6:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 16/21] e1000: replace qemu_send_packet() with qemu_send_packet_proxy() Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-25  6:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 17/21] savevm: introduce qemu_savevm_trans_{begin, commit} Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-25  6:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 18/21] migration: introduce migrate_ft_trans_{put, get}_ready(), and modify migrate_fd_put_ready() when ft_mode is on Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-25  6:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 19/21] migration-tcp: modify tcp_accept_incoming_migration() to handle ft_mode, and add a hack not to close fd when ft_mode is enabled Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-25  6:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 20/21] Introduce -k option to enable FT migration mode (Kemari) Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-25  6:07 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 21/21] migration: add a parser to accept FT migration incoming mode Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-26 18:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/21] Kemari for KVM 0.2 Blue Swirl
2010-11-27  4:29   ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-27  7:23     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-11-27  8:53       ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-27 11:03         ` Blue Swirl
2010-11-27 12:21           ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-27 11:54         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-11-27 13:11           ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-29 10:17             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-11-29 13:00               ` Paul Brook
2010-11-29 13:13                 ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-29 13:19                   ` Paul Brook
2010-11-29 13:41                     ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-29 14:12                       ` Paul Brook [this message]
2010-11-29 14:37                         ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-29 14:56                           ` Paul Brook
2010-11-29 15:00                             ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-29 15:56                               ` Paul Brook
2010-11-29 16:23                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-11-29 16:41                                 ` Dor Laor
2010-11-29 16:53                                   ` Paul Brook
2010-11-29 17:05                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-29 17:18                                       ` Paul Brook
2010-11-29 17:33                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-30  7:13                                       ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-30  6:43                                   ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2010-11-30  9:13                                   ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2010-11-27 11:20       ` Paul Brook
2010-11-27 12:35         ` Yoshiaki Tamura

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