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From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
To: Kevin O'Connor <kevin@koconnor.net>,
	seabios@seabios.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [SeaBIOS] [PATCHv6 00/16] boot order specification
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 19:13:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101202171317.GE2924@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101202150716.11062.qmail@stuge.se>

On Thu, Dec 02, 2010 at 04:07:16PM +0100, Peter Stuge wrote:
> Gleb Natapov wrote:
> > BBS specification is broken since it doesn't provide a way for
> > discovered boot method (BCV) to be linked back to a device it will
> > boot from. Nothing we can do to fix this except moving to EFI (an
> > hope the problem is fixed there).
> 
> There is that option, or there could be some simple improvement of
> our own, which works in QEMU and maybe even adds value to coreboot.
> But then there would be a bit of novel development in firmware - that
> can't be a good thing, right?
> 
I am all for novel development in firmware, but unfortunately I do not
see what can we do in Seabios + qemu to fix this shortcoming. The problem
should be fixed in each and every option rom. Option rom may set device
address somewhere in pnp header for instance.

> 
> > Spec says that in that case user probably will want to adjust boot
> > order anyway and will enter boot menu by itself. Sorry excuse for
> > failing to provide proper functionality if you ask me :)
> 
> I agree. I can not believe the absolute resistance to innovation in
> this field.
> 
Interested parties want everyone to move to EFI I guess.

> Isn't the scope of BBS logic limited to boot time? (There are calls
> to do settings, but that's no problem.)
> 
> Maybe it would be possible for SeaBIOS to provide what looks like BBS
> to the guest, but on the other side there is something more
> intelligent going on, be it together with QEMU or coreboot?
> 
> 
I don't how it can be done without cooperation with option roms.

--
			Gleb.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-12-02 17:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-17 16:43 [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv6 00/16] boot order specification Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv6 01/16] Introduce fw_name field to DeviceInfo structure Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv6 02/16] Introduce new BusInfo callback get_fw_dev_path Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv6 03/16] Keep track of ISA ports ISA device is using in qdev Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv6 04/16] Add get_fw_dev_path callback to ISA bus " Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv6 05/16] Store IDE bus id in IDEBus structure for easy access Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv6 06/16] Add get_fw_dev_path callback to IDE bus Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv6 07/16] Add get_dev_path callback for system bus Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv6 08/16] Add get_fw_dev_path callback for pci bus Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv6 09/16] Record which USBDevice USBPort belongs too Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv6 10/16] Add get_dev_path callback for usb bus Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv6 11/16] Add get_dev_path callback to scsi bus Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv6 12/16] Add bootindex parameter to net/block/fd device Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:44 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv6 13/16] Change fw_cfg_add_file() to get full file path as a parameter Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:44 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv6 14/16] Add bootindex for option roms Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:44 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv6 15/16] Add notifier that will be called when machine is fully created Gleb Natapov
2010-11-17 16:44 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCHv6 16/16] Pass boot device list to firmware Gleb Natapov
2010-11-23 15:31 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCHv6 00/16] boot order specification Gleb Natapov
2010-11-23 16:12   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-23 19:30     ` Blue Swirl
2010-11-27 20:56     ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28  7:54       ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-28  9:38         ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28  9:47           ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-28 12:39         ` Blue Swirl
2010-11-28 13:03           ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-28 13:13         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 13:19           ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-28 13:22             ` Blue Swirl
2010-11-28 17:02               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 17:23             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 18:54               ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-28 19:09                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 19:20                   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-28 13:25           ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24  1:19   ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-11-24 10:03     ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-27 15:41       ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-11-27 16:22         ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-27 16:49           ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-11-27 17:06             ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-27 17:47               ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-11-27 18:15                 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-27 18:40                   ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-11-27 19:04                     ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-27 21:07                       ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-11-28  7:45                         ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-28 17:15                           ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-11-28 18:47                             ` Gleb Natapov
     [not found]                               ` <20101130013402.GB3488@morn.localdomain>
2010-11-30 14:01                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-12-01  2:53                                   ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-12-01 12:27                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2010-12-02  2:25                                       ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-12-02 12:30                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2010-12-02 15:07                                           ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [SeaBIOS] " Peter Stuge
2010-12-02 17:13                                             ` Gleb Natapov [this message]
2010-12-02 21:22                                           ` Sebastian Herbszt
2010-12-03  2:01                                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin O'Connor
2010-12-03  5:55                                             ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-29 10:50                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
     [not found]                               ` <20101130015509.GC3488@morn.localdomain>
2010-11-30 14:59                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-28 19:00                           ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [SeaBIOS] " Peter Stuge
2010-11-28 19:11                             ` Peter Stuge
2010-11-28 19:52                               ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-28 19:16                             ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-29 10:19                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2010-11-29 12:07                       ` Gleb Natapov

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