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From: Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>
To: Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
Cc: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 7/7] virtio-console: Enable port throttling when chardev is slow to consume data
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:25:06 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101206065506.GD11457@amit-x200.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201012021731.36291.paul@codesourcery.com>

On (Thu) Dec 02 2010 [17:31:36], Paul Brook wrote:
> > > > when there's a partial write, it tries to do a write again, which will
> > > > fail with -EAGAIN.
> > > 
> > > Doesn't that cause the first partial chunk to be incorrectly transmitted
> > > twice? You may only return EAGAIN if no data was transmitted.
> > 
> > Except for the fact that no caller of qemu_chr_write() resubmits (or
> > even checks) partial writes.
> 
> I don't buy this argument. The current implementation of qemu_chr_write never 
> generates transient failures, so they don't need to.

And applying this patch won't change the situation.

What I proposed in the earlier mail was to buffer only the data that has
to be re-submitted in case the caller is capable of stopping further
output till the char layer indicates it's free to start again.

> Once data has been transmitted, we have three options:
> 
> a) Block until the write completes. This makes the whole patch fairly 
> pointless as host and guest block boundaries are unlikely to align.

This is what currently happens and will remain so for callers of
qemu_chr_write() which don't have a .write_unblocked() pointer assigned
in the char dev struct.

> b) Store the data on the side somewhere. Tell the device all data has been 
> sent, and arrange for this data to be flushed before accepting any more data.  
> This is bad because it allows the guest to allocate arbitrarily large[1] 
> buffers on the host. i.e. a fairly easily exploitable DoS attack.

With virtio-serial, this is what's in use.  The buffer is limited to the
length of the vq (which is a compile-time constant) and there also is
the virtio_serial_throttle_port() call that tells the guest to not send
any more data to the host till the char layer indicates it's OK to send
more data.

> c) Return a partial write to the guest. The guest already has to handle 
> retries due to EAGAIN, and DMA capable devices already have to handle partial 
> mappings, so this doesn't seem too onerous a requirement. This is not a new 
> concept, it's the same as the unix write(2)/send(2) functions.

This isn't possible with the current vq design.

		Amit

  reply	other threads:[~2010-12-06  6:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-12-01  9:54 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 0/7] char: non-blocking writes, virtio-console flow control Amit Shah
2010-12-01  9:54 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 1/7] virtio-console: Factor out common init between console and generic ports Amit Shah
2010-12-01  9:54 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 2/7] char: Add a QemuChrHandlers struct to initialise chardev handlers Amit Shah
2010-12-01  9:54 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 3/7] char: Introduce char_set/remove_fd_handlers() Amit Shah
2010-12-01  9:54 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 4/7] char: Add framework for a 'write unblocked' callback Amit Shah
2010-12-01  9:54 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 5/7] char: Update send_all() to handle nonblocking chardev write requests Amit Shah
2010-12-01  9:54 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 6/7] char: Equip the unix/tcp backend to handle nonblocking writes Amit Shah
2010-12-01  9:54 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 7/7] virtio-console: Enable port throttling when chardev is slow to consume data Amit Shah
2010-12-01 11:30   ` Paul Brook
2010-12-01 11:48     ` Amit Shah
2010-12-01 11:59       ` Paul Brook
2010-12-01 12:12         ` Amit Shah
2010-12-01 13:08           ` Paul Brook
2010-12-02  9:21             ` Amit Shah
2010-12-02 17:31               ` Paul Brook
2010-12-06  6:55                 ` Amit Shah [this message]
2010-12-06  9:35                   ` Paul Brook
2010-12-06 10:11                     ` Amit Shah
2010-12-06 13:23                       ` Paul Brook
2010-12-07  7:11                         ` Amit Shah
2010-12-08 12:56                           ` Paul Brook
2010-12-08 14:25                             ` Amit Shah
2010-12-08 16:54                               ` Paul Brook

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