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From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Chunqiang Tang <ctang@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Strategic decision: COW format
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:59:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110223155944.GA31096@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D652D22.9080605@codemonkey.ws>

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 09:52:02AM -0600, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> On 02/23/2011 09:37 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
> >On 02/23/2011 05:31 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>what about snapshots?  Are we okay having a feature in a
> >>>>prominent format that isn't going to meet user's
> >>>>expectations?
> >>>>
> >>>>Is there any hope that an image with 1000, 1000, or 10000
> >>>>snapshots is going to have even reasonable performance in
> >>>>qcow2?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Are thousands of snapshots for a single image a reasonable
> >>>user expectation?  What's the use case?
> >>
> >>
> >>Checkpointing.  It was the original use-case that led to qcow2
> >>being invented.
> >
> >I still don't see.  What would you do with thousands of checkpoints?
> 
> Er, hit send to quickly.
> 
> HPC is a big space where checkpointing is actually useful.  An HPC
> workload may take weeks to run to completion.  If something fails
> during the run, it's a huge waste of time.  However, if you do
> regularl checkpointing, a failure may only lose a few minutes of
> work instead of the entire weeks worth of work.
> 
HPC workload mostly run on cluster nowadays. Getting consistent
distributed snapshot without messages in flight is not as simple as
snapshotting bunch of VMs at random time. Anyway in HPC scenario you
need only one (last) snapshot, not thousands of them.

--
			Gleb.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-23 16:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <OF3C9DAE9F.EC6B5878-ON85257826.00715C10-85257826.007A14FB@LocalDomain>
2011-02-15 19:45 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Comparing New Image Formats: FVD vs. QED Chunqiang Tang
2011-02-16 12:34   ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-17 16:04     ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-02-18  9:12     ` Strategic decision: COW format (was: [Qemu-devel] Re: Comparing New Image Formats: FVD vs. QED) Markus Armbruster
2011-02-18  9:57       ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Strategic decision: COW format Kevin Wolf
2011-02-18 14:20         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-22  8:37           ` Markus Armbruster
2011-02-22  8:56             ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-22 10:21               ` Markus Armbruster
2011-02-22 15:57               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-22 16:15                 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-22 18:18                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23  9:13                     ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-23 14:21                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 14:55                         ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-23 13:43               ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 14:23                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 14:38                   ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-23 15:29                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 15:36                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 15:47                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 15:59                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 15:54                       ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-23 15:23                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 15:31                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 15:37                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 15:50                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 16:03                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 16:04                             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 16:15                               ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-25 11:20                             ` Pavel Dovgaluk
     [not found]                             ` <-1737654525499315352@unknownmsgid>
2011-02-25 13:22                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-02-23 15:52                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 15:59                           ` Gleb Natapov [this message]
2011-02-23 16:00                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 15:33                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-02-23 15:38                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-18 17:43         ` Stefan Weil
2011-02-18 19:11           ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-18 19:47             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-18 20:49               ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-18 20:50                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-18 21:27                   ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-19 17:19             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-02-18 20:31           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-19 12:27           ` [Qemu-devel] Bugs in the VDI Block Device Driver Chunqiang Tang
2011-02-19 16:21             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-02-19 18:49               ` Stefan Weil
2011-02-20 22:13         ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Strategic decision: COW format Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-21  8:59           ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-21 13:44             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-02-21 14:10               ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-21 15:16                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-21 15:26                   ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-23  3:32               ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-02-23 13:20                 ` Markus Armbruster
     [not found]               ` <OFAEB4CD91.BE989F29-ON8525783F.007366B8-85257840.00130B47@LocalDomain>
2011-03-13  5:51                 ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-13 17:48                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-14  2:28                     ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 13:22                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-14 13:53                         ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 14:02                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-14 14:21                             ` Kevin Wolf
2011-03-14 14:35                               ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 14:49                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-14 15:05                                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-14 15:08                                 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-03-14 14:26                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-14 14:30                             ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 14:15                         ` Kevin Wolf
2011-03-14 14:25                           ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 14:31                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-14 16:32                               ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 17:57                                 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-03-14 19:23                                   ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 20:16                                     ` Kevin Wolf
     [not found]                               ` <OF7C2FDD40.E76A4E14-ON85257853.005ADD68-85257853.005AF16E@LocalDomain>
2011-03-14 21:32                                 ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 14:34                             ` Kevin Wolf
2011-03-14 14:47                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-14 15:03                             ` Kevin Wolf
2011-03-14 15:13                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-14 15:04                             ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 15:07                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-14 10:12                   ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-22  8:40           ` Markus Armbruster
2011-02-16 13:21   ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Comparing New Image Formats: FVD vs. QED Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-02-17 16:04     ` Chunqiang Tang

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