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From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Memory API
Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 21:28:09 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110519182809.GI27310@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DD55B55.5020701@codemonkey.ws>

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 01:03:01PM -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> On 05/19/2011 12:39 PM, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> >On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 03:37:58PM +0200, Jan Kiszka wrote:
> >>On 2011-05-19 15:36, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> >>>On 05/18/2011 02:40 PM, Jan Kiszka wrote:
> >>>>On 2011-05-18 15:12, Avi Kivity wrote:
> >>>>>void cpu_register_memory_region(MemoryRegion *mr, target_phys_addr_t
> >>>>>addr);
> >>>>
> >>>>OK, let's allow overlapping, but make it explicit:
> >>>>
> >>>>void cpu_register_memory_region_overlap(MemoryRegion *mr,
> >>>>                                          target_phys_addr_t addr,
> >>>>                                          int priority);
> >>>
> >>>The device doesn't actually know how overlapping is handled.  This is
> >>>based on the bus hierarchy.
> >>
> >>Devices don't register their regions, buses do.
> >>
> >Today PCI device may register region that overlaps with any other
> >registered memory region without even knowing it. Guest can write any
> >RAM address into PCI BAR and this RAM address will be come mmio are.
> 
> Right, but this is not how a real machine works.
> 
Very likely.

> With the exception of the few regions that the chipset treats
> specially, RAM accesses don't get a chance to be intercepted by the
> PCI bus.
> 
> >More
> >interesting is what happens when guest reprogram PCI BAR to other address
> >- the RAM that was at the previous address just disappears. Obviously
> >   this is crazy behaviour, but the question is how do we want to handle
> 
> The CPU should continue to access RAM at this address.
I think it should continue using it even when PCI BAR is still mapped to the
RAM address.

>                                                         It's unclear
> to me what the right behavior is for device-to-device I/O but I'm
> pretty certain it doesn't matter.
> 
For PC may be. But IIRC this thread already had request to support
different memory view from different devices.

> >it? One option is to disallow such overlapping registration, another is
> >to restore RAM mapping after PCI BAR is reprogrammed. If we chose second
> >one the PCI will not know that _overlap() should be called.
> >
> >Another example may be APIC region and PCI. They overlap, but neither
> >CPU nor PCI knows about it.
> 
> And APIC always wins when accesses are coming from the CPU.
> 
Of course, my question is how proposed API handles this.

--
			Gleb.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-19 18:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 187+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-18 13:12 [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Memory API Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 14:05 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 14:36   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 15:11     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 15:17       ` Peter Maydell
2011-05-18 15:30         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 19:10           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-18 19:27             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 19:34               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-18 20:02                 ` Alex Williamson
2011-05-18 20:11                   ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 20:13                     ` Alex Williamson
2011-05-18 20:07                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 20:41                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19  8:26               ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19  8:30                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19  8:44                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 13:59                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 13:52                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 13:56                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 13:57                     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 14:04                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 14:06                         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 14:11                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 18:18                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 18:50                             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 19:02                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 19:10                                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-20  9:15                             ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-20 17:30                   ` Blue Swirl
2011-05-22  7:23                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19  6:31             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 13:23               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 13:25                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 13:26                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 13:35                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 13:36                     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 13:43                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 13:39                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19  8:09             ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 15:23       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 15:36         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 15:42           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 16:00             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 16:14               ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 16:39                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 16:47                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 17:07                     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 17:15                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 17:40                         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 20:13                     ` Richard Henderson
2011-05-19  8:04                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19  9:08             ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19  9:10               ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19  9:14                 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 11:44                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 11:54                     ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 11:57                       ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 11:58                         ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 12:02                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 12:21                             ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 12:02                           ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 11:57                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 12:20                         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 12:50                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 12:58                             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 13:00                               ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 13:03                                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 13:07                                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 13:26                                     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 13:30                                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 13:43                                         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 13:47                                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 13:49                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 13:53                                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 14:15                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 14:20                                               ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 14:25                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 14:28                                                   ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 14:31                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 14:37                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 14:40                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 16:17                                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 16:25                                                           ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 16:28                                                             ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 16:30                                                               ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 16:36                                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 16:49                                                                   ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 17:12                                                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 18:11                                                                       ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-20  8:58                                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-20  8:56                                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-20 14:51                                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-20 16:43                                                                       ` Olivier Galibert
2011-05-20 17:32                                                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-22  7:36                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 16:43                                                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 16:51                                                                   ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 16:27                                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-20  8:59                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-20 11:57                                                             ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-22  7:37                                                               ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-22  8:06                                                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-22  8:09                                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-22  8:59                                                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-22 12:26                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 16:32                                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 16:35                                                           ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 16:38                                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 16:50                                                               ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-20  9:03                                                               ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-20  9:01                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-20 15:33                                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-20 15:59                                                               ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-22  7:38                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-22 15:42                                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 14:21                                               ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 13:44                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 13:47                   ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 13:50                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 13:55                       ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 13:55                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 18:06                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 18:21                           ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 13:49                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19  9:24               ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-05-19 14:49                 ` Peter Maydell
2011-05-18 16:33         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-18 16:41           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 17:04             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-18 17:13               ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 16:42           ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 17:05             ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 15:14   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-18 15:26     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 16:21       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 16:42         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 16:49           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 17:11             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-18 17:38               ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 15:08 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-18 15:37   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 19:36     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-18 15:47   ` Stefan Weil
2011-05-18 16:06     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 16:51       ` Richard Henderson
2011-05-18 16:53         ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 17:03           ` Richard Henderson
2011-05-18 15:58 ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 16:26 ` Richard Henderson
2011-05-18 16:37   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 17:17 ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 19:40 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19  8:06   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19  8:08     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19  8:13       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19  8:25         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19  8:43           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19  9:24             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 11:58               ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 13:36   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 13:37     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 13:41       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-19 17:39       ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 18:03         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 18:28           ` Gleb Natapov [this message]
2011-05-19 18:33             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-05-19 18:11         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 18:22           ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 18:27             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 18:40               ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 18:45                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 18:50                   ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-19 18:55                     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-19 19:02                       ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-20  7:23                       ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-20  7:40                         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-20 11:25                           ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-22  7:50                             ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-22  8:41                               ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-22 10:53                                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-22 11:29                                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-23  8:45                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-23 22:29                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2011-05-20  9:10             ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-20 12:08               ` Gleb Natapov
2011-05-22  7:56                 ` Avi Kivity

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