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From: Ryan Harper <ryanh@us.ibm.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>, qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Block layer roadmap on wiki
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 09:27:12 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110822142712.GR5792@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJSP0QVEgutx83zp_fXUt6LzHz-2oUoBAfGNirdPzP6ssdgujg@mail.gmail.com>

* Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com> [2011-08-22 08:35]:
> At KVM Forum Kevin, Christoph, and I had an opportunity to get
> together for a Block Layer BoF.  We went through the recent "roadmap"
> mailing list thread and touched on each proposed feature.
> 
> Here is the block layer roadmap wiki page:
> http://wiki.qemu.org/BlockRoadmap
> 
> Kevin: I have moved the runtime WCE toggling to QEMU 1.0 since you
> mentioned you want it for the next release.
> 
> My main take-away from the BoF was that integrating support for host
> block devices and storage appliances will allow us to reduce the
> amount of effort spent on image formats.  In order to make image
> formats support the desired features and performance we end up
> implementing much of the storage stack and file systems in userspace -
> code that is duplicated and cannot take advantage of the existing
> storage stack.

+1

> 
> Storage management features are not just available in remote SAN and
> NAS appliances anymore.  For local storage, btrfs has file-level
> clones and thin-dev is significantly improving LVM snapshots.
> 
> Thin-dev is bringing a much more efficient and scalable snapshot model
> to LVM.  This device-mapper feature will make LVM attractive for high
> performance I/O without giving up snapshot and clone features.  It
> also supports cloning off block devices that are not in the pool (e.g.
> external storage, much like QEMU's backing files feature):
> https://github.com/jthornber/linux-2.6/tree/thin-dev
> 
> This will not replace image formats overnight because image formats
> are still widely used and will continue to be a useful for
> transferring and sharing disk images.  But focussing on the larger

Any thoughts on how to make this easily usable for LVM?  If there were
an export/import to/from file to LVM?  is that sufficient?  Anything
like this in existence?

> storage stack where either local LVM, btrfs, or storage appliances do
> the storage management means we exploit those options instead of
> implementing equivalent functionality ourselves.  QEMU then runs with
> plain old raw in more cases.
> 
> Stefan

-- 
Ryan Harper
Software Engineer; Linux Technology Center
IBM Corp., Austin, Tx
ryanh@us.ibm.com

  reply	other threads:[~2011-08-22 14:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-22 13:34 [Qemu-devel] Block layer roadmap on wiki Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-08-22 14:27 ` Ryan Harper [this message]
2011-08-22 17:58   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-08-22 19:04 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-22 20:31   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-08-22 20:48     ` Ryan Harper
2011-08-22 21:01       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-23  7:59         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-08-23 11:25         ` Kevin Wolf
2011-08-23 12:21           ` Stefan Hajnoczi

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