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From: David Gibson <dwg@au1.ibm.com>
To: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
Cc: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	Alexey Kardashevskiy <aik@au1.ibm.com>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <pmac@au1.ibm.com>,
	"Roedel, Joerg" <joerg.roedel@amd.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>, chrisw <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	iommu <iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	"linux-pci@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	"benve@cisco.com" <benve@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] kvm PCI assignment & VFIO ramblings
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:24:23 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110826042423.GF2308@yookeroo.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <EC0C2298-1EC9-42A0-9A71-3671E21BCA56@suse.de>

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 08:25:45AM -0500, Alexander Graf wrote:
> 
> On 25.08.2011, at 07:31, Roedel, Joerg wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:07:46AM -0400, Alex Williamson wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 10:52 +0200, Roedel, Joerg wrote:
> > 
> 
> [...]
> 
> >> We need to try the polite method of attempting to hot unplug the device
> >> from qemu first, which the current vfio code already implements.  We can
> >> then escalate if it doesn't respond.  The current code calls abort in
> >> qemu if the guest doesn't respond, but I agree we should also be
> >> enforcing this at the kernel interface.  I think the problem with the
> >> hard-unplug is that we don't have a good revoke mechanism for the mmio
> >> mmaps.
> > 
> > For mmio we could stop the guest and replace the mmio region with a
> > region that is filled with 0xff, no?
> 
> Sure, but that happens in user space. The question is how does
> kernel space enforce an MMIO region to not be mapped after the
> hotplug event occured? Keep in mind that user space is pretty much
> untrusted here - it doesn't have to be QEMU. It could just as well
> be a generic user space driver. And that can just ignore hotplug
> events.

We're saying you hard yank the mapping from the userspace process.
That is, you invalidate all its PTEs mapping the MMIO space, and don't
let it fault them back in.

As I see it there are two options: (a) make subsequent accesses from
userspace or the guest result in either a SIGBUS that userspace must
either deal with or die, or (b) replace the mapping with a dummy RO
mapping containing 0xff, with any trapped writes emulated as nops.

-- 
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  reply	other threads:[~2011-08-26  4:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2011-07-30 18:20 ` [Qemu-devel] kvm PCI assignment & VFIO ramblings Alex Williamson
2011-07-30 23:54   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-08-01 18:59     ` Alex Williamson
2011-08-02  2:00       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-07-30 23:55   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-08-02  8:28   ` David Gibson
2011-08-02 18:14     ` Alex Williamson
2011-08-02 18:35       ` Alex Williamson
2011-08-03  2:04         ` David Gibson
2011-08-03  3:44           ` Alex Williamson
2011-08-04  0:39             ` David Gibson
2011-08-08  8:28           ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-09 23:24             ` Alex Williamson
2011-08-10  2:48               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-08-20 16:51                 ` Alex Williamson
2011-08-22  5:55                   ` David Gibson
2011-08-22 15:45                     ` Alex Williamson
2011-08-22 21:01                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-08-23 19:30                         ` Alex Williamson
2011-08-23 23:51                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-08-24  3:40                             ` Alexander Graf
2011-08-24 14:47                             ` Alex Williamson
2011-08-24  8:43                           ` Joerg Roedel
2011-08-24 14:56                             ` Alex Williamson
2011-08-25 11:01                               ` Roedel, Joerg
2011-08-23  2:38                       ` David Gibson
2011-08-23 16:23                         ` Alex Williamson
2011-08-23 23:41                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-08-24  3:36                             ` Alexander Graf
2011-08-22  6:30                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-22 10:46                     ` Joerg Roedel
2011-08-22 10:51                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-22 12:36                         ` Roedel, Joerg
2011-08-22 12:42                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-22 12:55                             ` Roedel, Joerg
2011-08-22 13:06                               ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-22 13:15                                 ` Roedel, Joerg
2011-08-22 13:17                                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-22 14:37                                     ` Roedel, Joerg
2011-08-22 20:53                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-08-22 17:25                   ` Joerg Roedel
2011-08-22 19:17                     ` Alex Williamson
2011-08-23 13:14                       ` Roedel, Joerg
2011-08-23 17:08                         ` Alex Williamson
2011-08-24  8:52                           ` Roedel, Joerg
2011-08-24 15:07                             ` Alex Williamson
2011-08-25 12:31                               ` Roedel, Joerg
2011-08-25 13:25                                 ` Alexander Graf
2011-08-26  4:24                                   ` David Gibson [this message]
2011-08-26  9:24                                     ` Roedel, Joerg
2011-08-28 13:14                                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-28 13:56                                         ` Joerg Roedel
2011-08-28 14:04                                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-30 16:14                                             ` Joerg Roedel
2011-08-22 21:03                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-08-23 13:18                       ` Roedel, Joerg
2011-08-23 23:35                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-08-24  8:53                           ` Roedel, Joerg
2011-08-22 20:29                   ` aafabbri
2011-08-22 20:49                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-08-22 21:38                       ` aafabbri
2011-08-22 21:49                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-08-23  0:52                           ` aafabbri
2011-08-23  6:54                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-08-23 11:09                               ` Joerg Roedel
2011-08-23 17:01                               ` Alex Williamson
2011-08-23 17:33                                 ` Aaron Fabbri
2011-08-23 18:01                                   ` Alex Williamson
2011-08-24  9:10                                   ` Joerg Roedel
2011-08-24 21:13                                     ` Alex Williamson
2011-08-25 10:54                                       ` Roedel, Joerg
2011-08-25 15:38                                         ` Don Dutile
2011-08-25 16:46                                           ` Roedel, Joerg
2011-08-25 17:20                                         ` Alex Williamson
2011-08-25 18:05                                           ` Joerg Roedel
2011-08-26 18:04                                             ` Alex Williamson
2011-08-30 16:13                                               ` Joerg Roedel
2011-08-23 11:04                             ` Joerg Roedel
2011-08-23 16:54                               ` aafabbri
2011-08-24  9:14                                 ` Roedel, Joerg
2011-08-24  9:33                                   ` David Gibson
2011-08-24 11:03                                     ` Roedel, Joerg
2011-08-26  4:20                                       ` David Gibson
2011-08-26  9:33                                         ` Roedel, Joerg
2011-08-26 14:07                                           ` Alexander Graf
2011-08-26 15:24                                             ` Joerg Roedel
2011-08-26 15:29                                               ` Alexander Graf
2011-08-26 17:52                                             ` Aaron Fabbri
2011-08-26 19:35                                               ` Chris Wright
2011-08-26 20:17                                                 ` Aaron Fabbri
2011-08-26 21:06                                                   ` Chris Wright
2011-08-30  1:29                                                   ` David Gibson
2011-08-04 10:35   ` Joerg Roedel

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