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From: "Edgar E. Iglesias" <edgar.iglesias@gmail.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Plan for moving forward with QOM
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 22:27:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110914202708.GC17136@zapo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E710D05.6030008@us.ibm.com>

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 03:22:29PM -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> On 09/14/2011 03:00 PM, Edgar E. Iglesias wrote:
> >On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 01:04:00PM -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>I spent a couple hours today writing up some comparisons and an
> >>initial task list for converting qdev to QOM.  The main location of
> >>this is the wiki[1] but I thought I would inline it here for easier
> >>commenting.
> >>
> >>I decided to do this because I wanted to avoid a massively long 00
> >>patch explaining the rationale for the first batch of changes that
> >>I'm going to send out.
> >>
> >>There is so much complexity in qdev and the device model in general
> >>that it's hard to come up with a concise document.  I'd really
> >>appreciate suggestions for topics to write up more rationale as that
> >>would help me avoid writing a book on the topic :-)
> >
> >Thanks Anthony,
> >
> >I'd appreciate if you could elaborate more on the backlinks. Also,
> >tiny code examples would help. Maybe you've got a git repo with
> >more code to link to?
> 
> Message-Id: <1311558293-5855-1-git-send-email-aliguori@us.ibm.com>
> 
> Or
> 
> http://repo.or.cz/w/qemu/aliguori.git/shortlog/refs/heads/qom
> 
> >
> >Regarding the composition, a problem I face (which I mostly just
> >hack my way around) is that inter device connections may exist
> >at various layers at the same time. For example, a device that is
> >burried under a couple of busses/bridges may somehow be tighly
> >connected to another device at a very different location in
> >the bus hierarchy by means of another overlayed interconnect (e.g
> >data channels, timing generation, IRQs etc). Maybe you could
> >clarify a bit more on how QOM handles these topics.
> 
> Links are meant to handle this.  You can have something like:
> 
> + PlatformDevice1
> + PlatformDevice2
> + PciBus
>   |
>   +- PciDevice1
>   +- PciDevice2
>      |
>      + I2CBus
>        |
>        +- I2CDevice1
>           |- pd2: link<PlatformDevice2>
> 
> So you have I2CDevice that sites behind multiple levels of
> hierarchy, but has a direct relationship (via a link) to a platform
> device much higher in the hierarchy.  This is an simple
> demonstration of how you can create a graph in QOM.
> 
> qdev doesn't allow graphs in the object model which is the problem
> that you're having today.  That's because its a tree with
> alternating levels.  The top level is always a bus, the next level
> is always devices, the next level are always busses, etc.
> 
> With QOM, there are only devices, and devices can link to 0 or more other devices.


Great, thanks for clarifying!

Maybe you can copy+paste this into your book :p

Cheers

  reply	other threads:[~2011-09-14 20:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-09-14 18:04 [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Plan for moving forward with QOM Anthony Liguori
2011-09-14 18:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-14 19:30 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-09-14 19:42   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-14 21:15     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-09-14 22:11       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 13:43         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-09-15 14:11           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 16:38             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-09-15 18:01               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-16 10:12             ` Kevin Wolf
2011-09-16 13:00               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-14 20:00 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-14 20:22   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-14 20:27     ` Edgar E. Iglesias [this message]
2011-09-14 20:37     ` Blue Swirl
2011-09-14 21:25       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15  6:31 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 10:49   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-09-15 13:08     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 13:17   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 14:23     ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-16 14:46     ` John Williams
2011-09-16 16:10       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-17  1:11         ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-17  2:12           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-17  2:35             ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-15 13:57   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 14:14     ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-09-15 14:25       ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 15:28         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 15:38           ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 16:33             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 16:59               ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 17:51                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 20:29                   ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 20:45                     ` Peter Maydell
2011-09-15 21:15                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-16 16:33                       ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-16 17:47                         ` Peter Maydell
2011-09-16 18:08                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-16 18:22                             ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-16 18:42                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-16 19:13                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-16 19:29                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-16 20:48                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-16 21:03                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-17  0:01                                 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-16 18:18                           ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 20:50                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-16 16:47                       ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-17  0:48                         ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-17  2:17                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-17  2:29                             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-17  2:41                             ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-15  6:47 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-09-15 13:26   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 13:35     ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-09-15 13:54       ` Peter Maydell
2011-09-15 14:18         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 14:33           ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-09-15 14:48             ` Peter Maydell
2011-09-15 15:31             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 15:47               ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-09-15 20:23     ` Avi Kivity
2011-09-15 20:52       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-18  7:56         ` Avi Kivity
2011-09-18 14:00           ` Avi Kivity
2011-09-16  9:36       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2011-12-13  4:47 ` Paul Brook
2011-12-13 13:22   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-13 17:40     ` Paul Brook
2011-12-13 18:00       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-13 20:36         ` Paul Brook
2011-12-13 21:53           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-14  0:39             ` Paul Brook
2011-12-14 13:53               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-14 14:01                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-14 14:11                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-14 14:35                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-14 14:46                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-14 14:50                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-15 18:59                 ` Paul Brook
2011-12-15 19:12                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-15 21:28                     ` Paul Brook
2011-12-16  2:08                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-16  5:11                         ` Paul Brook
2011-12-14  9:11             ` Andreas Färber

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